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To: Freetus
Ok. I am also in my thirties. Yes, cortez's feats were marvelous. Luck was involved, of course. Do not discount the superior spanish technology. Remember, it was the spanish that went to the new world, not the other way around. THe spanish were expanding in the old world several years before cortez ever stepped foot in the new world. I just looked this up to be sure of myself: the spanish empire is considered to be born in 1469. THat is over 20 years before the conquest of the new world began. Not as early as I had remembered it, but still your statement is proved wrong.

I think the spanish and the portuguese histories had becomed confused in my memories.
76 posted on 04/04/2002 3:13:41 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre; untenured
Fair enough. We both were exagerating a bit.

The point that Guns makes is the overall point that the Indo-Euro society was itself the recipient of the fortune of an east-west vs north-south agricultural belt and the prevalence of easily domesticated food and farm animals which also led to "superior" diseases like smallpox. His thesis is that is was basically their luck geographically speaking that led to their eventual global dominance and not because of some racial characteristic of that God was on their side or whatnot. Then mameluksabre and I got a bit sidetracked by the particular question of Cortez's "luck." But, truly part of his luck was that he was from a society with superior military technology... based again on Europe's general luck with how their land happened to be formed.

I still maintain that Cortez was a slick guy and that it wasn't his horse nor his guns that were nearly as effective as his lies and manipulations. He was truly one of the greatest leaders of all time, and it was his leadership that made the impossible inevitable. Not to get all Ayn Rand, but Cortez is certainly a great example of how only the individual can truly change the world. The aztecs were more advanced as a society(notwithstanding the guns), but they lacked this fire of the individual... and so they perished as socialism always will in the face of a great man.

77 posted on 04/04/2002 3:33:32 PM PST by Freetus
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