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To: norton
The American Jewish population to a large extent (at least that 80 percent that robotically punched the "Gore" hole in '00) strikes me as demographic that exists in a sort of fantasy world. Theirs must be a world wherein stark, brutal experience (i.e. the Nazis' ovens that incinerated so many European Jews)is immaterial to the present gun "control" debate here in the States. To advocate disarming normal, run of the mill citizens for the good of the state, a leftist U.S. Jew must refuse to concede the obvious, historical facts: that millions of their relatives were murdered by a state that first took away their firearms - leaving the mass of them helpless. And yet the Holocaust is of course NOT glibly dismissed or forgotten by them, as well it should not be. It is a foundation block of their religious and philosophical existence. How then do they square their fear of an armed civilian society with the undeniable fact that THEIR UNarmed society was herded like sheep to their deaths a mere 60 years ago? This is inexplicable to me. Israel has it right: it recognizes a monstrous physical threat to its state's very existence and encourages the ownership of private firearms to help combat that threat. I may be flitting about the periphery of unacceptable posting etiquette with this, but it is my sincere belief that those American Jews who insist that my privately owned firearms constitute a threat to their safety and should therefore be seized by the state are either idiots or closet fascists themselves.
40 posted on 04/03/2002 7:59:12 AM PST by Basil Duke
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To: Basil Duke
How then do they square their fear of an armed civilian society with the undeniable fact that THEIR UNarmed society was herded like sheep to their deaths a mere 60 years ago?

Holding to two conflicting truths is cognitive dissonance. This is a form of mental illness. This is the problem with liberalism.

And I'm not being facetious.

54 posted on 04/03/2002 9:40:33 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Basil Duke
The American Jewish population to a large extent (at least that 80 percent that robotically punched the "Gore" hole in '00) strikes me as demographic that exists in a sort of fantasy world. Theirs must be a world wherein stark, brutal experience (i.e. the Nazis' ovens that incinerated so many European Jews)is immaterial to the present gun "control" debate here in the States.

Well, you're right, but it's even worse than you think.

I read a letter to the editor in the Jew York Times (don't bother asking for an apology, I'm Jewish) a while back from a "holocaust survivor" Mr. Goldberg, who said he was appalled that America wouldn't confiscate all the privately owned guns, because the Nazis had used guns to arrest him and his family. At first, his attitude appeared so ludicrous on the face of it that I thought his letter must be a hoax.

But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that that is *exactly* how stupid most of my fellow Jews are. They can't even see the abstract issue - they think that somehow if they can just make all the guns go away, there can't be any "pogroms" conducted by screaming mobs. They seem incapable of even understanding the long view, that governments in general can't be trusted with absolute power, and that this Government (all bow) could end up in the hands of another Hitler.

As a result, I have a throwaway comment I like to use to infuriate liberal Jews: "I used to think Jews were loud but intelligent, but since they came for my guns, I now just think they're loud". (You should see my Jewish relatives go ballistic...)

61 posted on 04/03/2002 11:18:08 AM PST by fire_eye
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