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To: kattracks
Did some $$$$$$$$ (counterfeit or real) go to X42?

Did the Arabs learn from the Chinese -- or visa versa?

2 posted on 04/01/2002 9:48:22 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: bigern
bumping for later reading.
3 posted on 04/01/2002 9:50:26 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Diogenesis
Did some $$$$$$$$ (counterfeit or real) go to X42?

Only in a legally-laundered, "no one told me" manner. But one can dream....
7 posted on 04/01/2002 10:05:19 PM PST by My Identity
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To: Diogenesis
"Did some $$$$$$$$ (counterfeit or real) go to X42? Did the Arabs learn from the Chinese -- or visa versa?"

Money is definitely an issue. Bonior is the largest recipient of Muslim campaign cash and who can forget the $50,000 that Grifter 97 got from the "American Museum (nee Muslim) Council" in her race. That is not to say that W may have treaded lightly too for the House of Saud, in all fairness. But coupled with the inaction after the '93 WTC bombing etc., the 'Toon's got some 'splainin' to do. Think FALN clemency and you know what he was about...

29 posted on 04/02/2002 5:49:02 AM PST by eureka!
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To: Diogenesis
Bribery is the most common mode in history of business to government relations. In only a few nations is it not common. We used to be one of them, we still can become one of them.

It did not help that Clinton wasn't removed from office, his dishonesty and obvious use of bribery is contagious.

Until the 1900's a small honest government -- honesty and integrity maintained in that smallness -- was the American clear ideal and reality in many dealings -- in both major parties, in the electorate, among office seekers and holders.

On the basis of that common integrity, in a (what has proved to be vain) hope to eradicate bribery and self-dealing, good honest men in that era came up with and initiated Civil Service reform. Their own high standards, and the comparatively high standards of the time blinded them to the unforseen outcome we are experiencing.

The results of divorcing electoral accountability -- a government bureaucracy and infrastructure that waxes and wanes with political tides -- were threefold. One "neutral" -- government got bigger.

Two "negative". Both due to unaccountability. One is that the effectiveness of a government worker declined on some characteristic decay curve to almost a zero asymptote. The second, that by divorcing the elected office-holders from being accountable for results or costs, that made their only accountability for spending -- not to reduce it either, but to spend more.

That is no one elected office-holder can be held to account for the lack of delivery by a huge, established government agency or bureaucracy. Nor is that elected office-holder held to account for piecemeal tax increases, being as particluar ones are buried in a great mass of them. Yet by accepting bribes to authorize more spending the elected office-holder benefits his bribors and their suppliers and employees and can afford electoral marketing.

I used the term "elected office-holder" rather than politician, for clearly at the level of the US Senate, and to lesser degree at lower elected office levels, politics is no longer at play. Civil Service has defused it.

What is at play is who can operate the best bribery franchise.

30 posted on 04/02/2002 6:22:39 AM PST by bvw
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To: Diogenesis
The Saudi OPECKER Princes have buying our senators since the Carter days of phoney oil shortages and maybe before then.

The millions the Saudi Opecker Prince is giving to the Clintoon LIEbrary is payment for services rendered since Jan 1993 to Jan 2001, and future payments for the Hildebeast.

If we had the full money trail from the OPECKER Princes to our envirals and US Senators, it would show a trail of greed and traiterous actions that would be like a Clancy novel.

41 posted on 04/02/2002 9:23:22 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Diogenesis
bump for the newbies
90 posted on 04/15/2002 4:27:13 PM PDT by timestax
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