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To: a_Turk
I just returned from a peacekeeping tour in Bosnia, stationed at the new US base 3 miles from Bratunac, 6 miles from Srebrenica. I saw the graves and the bodies with my own eyes.... it's beyond me how anyone can say Srebrenica didn't happen. By the way, although I've lurked on FR for several years, I didn't join until today, so flame away :-)
13 posted on 03/30/2002 12:52:07 PM PST by Terabitten
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To: Tragically Single; infowars; infowars; wretchard; a_Turk; Freee-dame; vooch; Black Jade
See any of Bin Laden's boys while you served in Bosnia, TS? In Bosnia Osama Bin Laden and NATO were on the same side. Srebrinica did happen and God Bless the Serbs for doing it (though it was not the massacre made out to be)!!

From: Bin Laden's Balkan Connections

Osama bin Laden -- stripped of his Saudi citizenship in 1994 -- is alleged to have retained the Bosnian passport he was issued in Vienna in 1993. According to a Sept. 1999 report in Dani, a Bosnian Muslim weekly paper, Alija Izetbegovic, then president of Bosnia, granted Mr. bin Laden a passport in recognition of his followers' contributions to Mr. Izetbegovic's quest to create a "fundamentalist Islamic republic" in the Balkans.

Dani also reported that al-Qaeda terrorist Mehrez Aodouni had been arrested in Istanbul while carrying a Bosnian passport. Like Mr. bin Laden, his citizenship had been granted "because he was a member of the Bosnia-Herzegovina army."

According to reports, it was the mujahedeen who committed some of the worst atrocities of the war, under Gen. Nasir Oric in the Muslim enclave of Srebrenica. Beheadings of Serbian civilians were commonplace, and in some villages the mujahedeen would dynamite homes with the inhabitants trapped inside.

No attempt was made to hide such atrocities. In fact, Gen. Oric would often address the media at the site of the massacres. On one such occasion, while standing in front of mujahedeen displaying decapitated human heads as trophies, Gen. Oric pointed to a smouldering building in ruins and proudly announced to reporters, "We blew those Serbs to the moon."

Alija Izetbegovic was also proud to display the fighting prowess of his mujahedeen volunteers. Following a successful attack against Serbian positions around Vozuce on Sept. 10, 1995, the Bosnian president held a televised medal presentation. Mujahedeen warriors had served as the vanguard of the assault force, and were awarded 11 decorations for valour, including the Golden Crescent, Bosnia's highest honour.

16 posted on 03/30/2002 1:01:45 PM PST by Spar
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To: Tragically Single
Welcome aboard newbie ! There's nothing that beats on-the-scene information. Happy posting.
19 posted on 03/30/2002 2:10:36 PM PST by happygrl
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To: Tragically Single
Also, what's with the FR moniker (handle)? Are you here to get sympathy and pick up chicks ?
20 posted on 03/30/2002 2:13:30 PM PST by happygrl
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To: Tragically Single
Glad you joined. Did you meet any Turks serving in Bosnia?
22 posted on 03/30/2002 2:38:42 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: Tragically Single; a_Turk; DTA; vooch
"I saw the graves and the bodies with my own eyes"

And who were they and where is the forensic reports on how and when they died? How do you explain the fact that the names of 3,010 of those reported missing ended up on the OSCE election lists?

http://www.balkanpeace.org/cib/bos/boss/boss05.shtml :

The beginning of the list:

1 Abdurahmanovic Nezir Ismet
2 Ademovic Ibrahim Kadir
3 Ademovic Ismet Mevludin
4 Ademovic Seban Saban
5 Adic Camil Sadik
6 Ahmetovic Avdo Dzevad
7 Ajsic Ramo Adem
8 Akagic Alia Sabahudin
9 Alemic Alaga Mensur
10 Alic Alaga Abaz
11 Alic Nezir Ahmo
12 Alic Semso Besim
13 Alic Dzemal Dzevad
14 Alic Ferid Fehim
15 Alic Feazo Halil
16 Alic Ohran Hasib
17 Alic Alija Hebib
18 Alic Mehmed Mujo
19 Alic Ibrahim Nezir
20 Alic Haso Nijaz
21 Alic Hajrudin Reuf
22 Alic Semso Sabahudin
23 Alic Adem Samir
24 Alic Sukrija Sead
25 Alic Sukrija Seid
26 Alic Jusuf Senahid
27 Alihodzic Camil Ramadan
28 Alispahic Hamdija Enver
29 Alispahic Omer Mujo
30 Aljic Ismet Nijaz
31 Aljic Suljo Sabahudin
32 Aljic Junuz Salko
33 Aljic Suljo Seval
34 Aljic Abdulah Zijad
35 Atic Safet Ibro
36 Atic Ibro Smajo
37 Avdic Maso Alija
38 Avdic Omer Almir
39 Avdic Kadrija Bajazit
40 Avdic Mustafa Fazlija
41 Avdic Idriz Hajrudin
42 Avdic Alija Hajrudin
43 Avdic Nezir Kadir
44 Avdic Dzemail Nevzet
45 Avdic Avdo Ramiz
46 Avdic Dzemal Refik
47 Avdic Hasan Smail
48 Avdic Smajo Suljo
49 Bajramovic Suljo Azem
50 Bajramovic Ikan Nedzad
...

What real cost is it for the Dutch minister to "admit" responsibility of his government for this? Will anybody there have to pay anyways - in any significant way that would genuinely hurt them or the country? How does this lend any credence for lack of forensic evidence?

23 posted on 03/30/2002 2:42:36 PM PST by joan
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To: Tragically Single
I just returned from a peacekeeping tour in Bosnia, stationed at the new US base 3 miles from Bratunac, 6 miles from Srebrenica. I saw the graves and the bodies with my own eyes.... it's beyond me how anyone can say Srebrenica didn't happen. Many thanks for this contribution to the thread. What more credibility does one need?

By the way, although I've lurked on FR for several years, I didn't join until today, so flame away :-)

Welcome to FR, Single! Should some people dare to flame you, please ignore them: those who have nothing to build in the valley think that being first in that valley makes them heros.

I look forward to reading your future posts.

30 posted on 03/30/2002 6:38:21 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: Tragically Single
Thank you.
36 posted on 03/30/2002 8:36:29 PM PST by proud to be breathing
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To: Tragically Single
from Bratunac, 6 miles from Srebrenica. I saw the graves and the bodies with my own eyes.... it's beyond me how anyone can say Srebrenica didn't happen

Indeed, everyoe agrees that Srebrencia did happen, but there appears to be some disagreement as to exactly what did happen.

For example whose bodies were found by the forensic teams they and how did the victims die ?

Did you know that many of the grave sites found by the forensic teams match those locations where Nasir Oric's execution squads operated ?
Did you know that the UN determined that Nasir's men killed some 3,000 villagers ?
Did you know that Bratunac happen(ed) to be a loyalist Christian village in which Nasir (Naser) Oric's execution squads used to roam at night from 1993-95 murdering the villagers ?
Did you know that fully 1/3 of the bodies found by the forensic team have been detremined to be members of Nasir Oric's 28th Division killed in a fair fight ?
Did you know that the reminder have not yet been identified, even though in the rest of mass graves in BiH fully 80% of the bodies are id'd within a short period ?
Did you know that the only eyewitness's happen to be close relatives of Nasir Oric ? The rest of the witnesses provided hearsay evidence at the ICTY trial

Sure, Srebrenics did happen. A couple of companies of RSA infantry backed by a beat up T-54/55 beat a entrenched BiH division (the 28th BiH). The 28th collapsed and started fighting amongst themselves. In the ensuing pursuit of the 28th BiH, the RSA units completely failed in their attempts to surround & annhilate the 28th. The vast majority of the 28th was able to breakthrough RSA lines and rejoin BiH units defending Tuzla. The Iztbegovic government ( with Clinton's help) when faced with the embarassing military disaster tried to spin the defeat into something else.

shift through the BS and wild conspiricy theories of bodies moving in the night and you'll see it is a fairly straight forward story.

39 posted on 03/31/2002 3:36:36 AM PST by vooch
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