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'Playing with fire' in Middle East
The Oregonian ^ | 3/30/02 | Staff

Posted on 03/30/2002 6:54:44 AM PST by veronica

As Israeli troops stormed the headquarters of Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority Friday, a Palestinian spokesman warned that the Israelis are "playing with fire."

He should know.

Yasser Arafat took out the matches a year and a half ago, when he walked out of the Camp David negotiations just as peace seemed possible. He lit the fire when he freed Palestinian radicals to murder Israeli children in coffee houses and defile the Jewish Passover with a suicide bomb in Netanya.

He was huddling in a basement room Friday when the fire he started burned down his house.

Israeli troops began taking apart the compound in Ramallah where Arafat and his Palestinian Authority have been -- at least -- countenancing the attacks on Israeli civilians. They say it is an uprising against Israeli occupation. It is really an uprising against peace. And now the Israeli government appears to have had enough.

The attacks that Israel launched on Friday came after a period of restraint in the hope that one of the various peace proposals would gain traction. Palestinian radicals responded with the Netanya bombing, one in a Jerusalem business district, the Friday bombing of a supermarket and other violence.

The dovish Israeli politician, Ehud Barak, used a common American barnyard expletive to describe Arafat's behavior in recent months. Even Secretary of State Colin Powell, who Friday urged restraint on Israel's part, was blunt enough about his derailed peacemaking efforts. "Let's be clear," he said, "about what brought it all to a halt -- terrorism."

That clarity has sometimes been lacking in the United States' war against worldwide terrorism. It has almost seemed, at times, that we were fighting terror only when it was directed at someone besides Israel. That the radical Palestinian terrorist organizations were not quite as evil and the rest of the evil axis.

Maybe that wasn't our intent, but that's how it sounded.

If this approach was intended to mollify the Arab governments, it has not worked, as Vice President Dick Cheney learned in his visit to Arab capitals last week, and maybe we should learn from that experience.

It is not that we should not maintain good relationships with the Arab world. But the time has passed when the United States can simply ignore policies that are not only anti-Israel, but anti-Jewish.

Talk about playing with fire.


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To: Truthreigns
You sound like a bolt from the blue to me. Why is it that most anti-reality joo hating ranters have a very short posting history here? Hmmmm?
21 posted on 03/30/2002 7:33:48 AM PST by American in Israel
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To: Sungirl; veronica
Jews are hated by some people all over the world because all over the world there are losers with small souls who need someone else to blame for their deficiencies.

Jews are hated by some people all over the world because all over the world there are tyrants who inculcate this hate to deflect attention from the evil they themselves are doing to their people.

Jews are hated by some people all over the world because all over the world there are barbarians who hate the idea of Law and its threat to their worship of Blood, Appetite, and Death. And Jews collectively can't help being a symbol and a reminder of Law, however well or poorly individual Jews may uphold Law.

There are many overlaps between these groups.

22 posted on 03/30/2002 7:38:55 AM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: veronica
NO...she doesn't hate jews. She mentioned the holocaust, the arabs....and some song she heard that says the 'blacks hate the whites','the whites hate the blacks' the 'poor hate the rich' the 'rich hate the poor' and 'everyone hates the jews'...something like that. I didn't mean to imply any prejudice on a perosnal level...if this offends anyone I'm sorry ...but there is racism around. THought I could get some answers in here for her.
23 posted on 03/30/2002 7:39:11 AM PST by Sungirl
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To: Truthreigns
...Camp David accords... truly unacceptable to the Palestinians...

Too bad. More than they deserved then, and better than what they'll get now.

Since the moslems no longer even try to hide the fact that they are the genocidal bastard sons of Nazi Germany, they deserve whatever the Israeli Forces have in store for them.

25 posted on 03/30/2002 7:40:45 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Mr Newbie
"The jews gave the arabs nothing in Camp David. The settlements stayed and the acess roads stayed."

The settlements and roads stayed because they were in Israel. The "occupied" lands are actually annexed lands. These are lands lost by the Arabs due to an act of unprovoked mass aggression in 1967. If they had not attacked Israel, they would not have lost those lands.

Why should not Israel settle on its own territory?

--Boris

26 posted on 03/30/2002 7:41:23 AM PST by boris
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To: Southern Federalist
My post #20 has some information from an anti Israel website that claims Pallies would have gotten 85% of West Bank. Pallies have always been in line to get virtually all of Gaza when they want to live in peace. Israel can not afford to be out of Gaza when Pallies are still using it to smuggle in weaponry. 

Israel is under no obligation to allow Muslim demons of the Jihad to more easily arm themselves.

27 posted on 03/30/2002 7:41:25 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Southern Federalist
Thanks........'law and justice'.
28 posted on 03/30/2002 7:41:26 AM PST by Sungirl
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To: ladyjane
The United States shouldn't be involved in any of it.

Perhaps not -- but we are involved, and have been for many years.

29 posted on 03/30/2002 7:43:07 AM PST by Logophile
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To: Mr Newbie

 

 

 

 

30 posted on 03/30/2002 7:43:30 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Your own post answers your question. The last line of which read "This way Israel gets to keep a sizeable portion of the West Bank while appearing as though it were relinquishing almost all of it." You screwed up big time here, better go back to spoiling threads with 40 MB of graphics.
31 posted on 03/30/2002 7:43:38 AM PST by MACD
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To: Sungirl
"A friend of mine asked me why the Jews seem to be hated by almost everyone all over the world. I never really thought about it....anyone have an answer??"

Jews presently comprise 3.27% of the population of the United States, and about 2.25% of the population of the world. There are 13,523,591 Jews (roughly) in a world of six billion persons.

The Nobel Prizes are awarded by the Nobel Foundation of Sweden to men and women who have rendered the greatest service to humankind. Between 1901 and 1995, 663 Nobel Prizes were handed out. Of these, 140 are Jews or people of Jewish descent. That is 21.1%, or roughly Nine times the “expected” number based on population alone.

Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Chemistry

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - David Baltimore
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis

Physics

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1995 - Martin Perl

32 posted on 03/30/2002 7:44:55 AM PST by boris
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To: Sungirl, Mr Newbie
And some song she heard that says the 'blacks hate the whites','the whites hate the blacks' the 'poor hate the rich' the 'rich hate the poor' and 'everyone hates the jews'...

A song? Not a good idea to take lyrics of songs as a barometer of anything. Anti-semites, neo-Nazis and losers hate Jews. It's pretty simple.

33 posted on 03/30/2002 7:45:11 AM PST by veronica
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To: dennisw
I understand that Israel wanted to give Gaza back with the Sinai to Egypt for peace in 1976. Egypt refused, and forced Israel to keep Gaza or it would not sign the deal. See, Egyptians are not that stupid. They had to put up with the Palistinians for years after they invaded and took the land in 1948. The only victory they got in 1973 was to loose Gaza. Even the Palestinians refused to take it in 1999. (Something poetic about that)
34 posted on 03/30/2002 7:46:57 AM PST by American in Israel
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To: Mr Newbie
The Nobel Prizes are awarded by the Nobel Foundation of Sweden to men and women who have rendered the greatest service to humankind. Between 1901 and 1995, 663 Nobel Prizes were handed out. Of these, 140 are Jews or people of Jewish descent. That is 21.1%, or roughly Nine times the “expected” number based on population alone...

Even a Mensa man would be impressed with that. Or jealous, maybe. :)

35 posted on 03/30/2002 7:47:52 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
And some song she heard that says the 'blacks hate the whites','the whites hate the blacks' the 'poor hate the rich' the 'rich hate the poor' and 'everyone hates the jews'...

I believe the song was "National Brotherhood Week," by Tom Lehrer. A very funny song, as I recall.

36 posted on 03/30/2002 7:49:11 AM PST by Logophile
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To: MACD
Get a clue doof. Did you read the part where he said your Palestinian heroes would get 85% of the West Bank? That's not good enough? Of course Israel will keep part of the West Bank. For security and housing. Do your Pallie beggars really think they will get all the West Bank? With all the improvements Israel has made to it? Do you? 

And 95% of Gaza would always be given to the Pallies. Gaza is a toilet by the sea. Israel's only concern with it is it's a great place to smuggle weapons in.

37 posted on 03/30/2002 7:50:02 AM PST by dennisw
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To: MACD
Oh yeah, the deceitful Elders of Zion schemed to fool the poor dumb noble savage Palis and "only" give them 86.5% of what they asked for. Allah forbid that a righteous Arab should ever settle for less than 125% in any bargain with the kaffir scum, especially Jews.
38 posted on 03/30/2002 7:50:24 AM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: Mr Newbie
The jews gave the arabs nothing in Camp David.

Lies:

Israeli Proposal to Palestinians and Syria:

Eve of the Camp David Talks, July, 2000

The map below represents the Barak government's proposed territorial settlement before opening the Camp David Talks, July, 2000. Before the summit various percentages of the proposed Israeli withdrawal were reported, including 90%, 92% and even 96% of the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza. The map below represents a 95% withdrawal. One report stated that at the summit itself an 88% withdrawal was offered along with a partition of Jerusalem .

(Source: The Settlement Movement Forum. Note this map is not official and was drawn based on reports of the government's positions at the time. )

For an enlarged image of the map, click here or on the map.

Israeli Withdrawal from 95% of the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza
The red areas with thin white pinstripes would become the Palestinian state. This consists of 95% of the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza. The Golan, including the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee, has already been offered to Syria.
The roads marked in red would become safe passage routes for Palestinians traveling between Gaza and the West Bank.
The red areas with slightly thicker white stripes located in the Negev, south of Gaza, has been offered to the Palestinians, as a trade off for the 5% of the West Bank that Israel proposes to annex.
The red areas with thick white stripes located in the Beer Sheva region, and in the Galilee are areas within the present sovereign borders of Israel in which the current population is over 70% Arab.

Note: This map does not address the issue of Jerusalem.


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39 posted on 03/30/2002 7:51:46 AM PST by Lent
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To: veronica
A song? Not a good idea to take lyrics of songs as a barometer of anything.

I don't know about that.....I heard a song about the I-95 down here in Florida...about how reckless people drive and craziness of people when you enter that deathway ...I would say that 99% of the people would agree with that.

40 posted on 03/30/2002 7:52:24 AM PST by Sungirl
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