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Ex-school counselor is charged with exposing himself (laicized priest)
St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | March 29, 2002 | Tim O'Neil and Rick Pierce

Posted on 03/29/2002 4:41:02 AM PST by ikanakattara

Edited on 05/11/2004 10:57:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A public school counselor who was booted from the Catholic priesthood 25 years ago over accusations of sexual abuse was charged Thursday with exposing himself to students at a St. Louis elementary school.

St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce said she expects to file more charges against the counselor, James A. Beine, also known as Mar James. Joyce said she considered Thursday's charges "only the tip of the iceberg" and said almost half of the 50 calls about priests her office has received since last week concern complaints against Beine.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; priest; sexualabuse
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For those who have been complaining that all these Catholic priest stories involve stale, old charges. Also I find it interesting that theologically, a priest is considered a priest forever, even if he is laicized, but when one of these guys is caught, he is always referred to by diocesan officials as an "ex-priest."
1 posted on 03/29/2002 4:41:02 AM PST by ikanakattara
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I think the RC Church should consider all of these problems legal problems first and foremost. Enforce the law, don't worry about saving their souls until sentence is pronounced and get the high ground on this issue. It is a mistake to help the perpetrators before legal intervention.
2 posted on 03/29/2002 5:01:04 AM PST by shrinkermd
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he is laicized, but when one of these guys is caught, he is always referred to by diocesan officials as an "ex-priest."

Even 25 years later. Geez, the Church kicked him out. What more do they want?

3 posted on 03/29/2002 5:04:48 AM PST by Steve0113
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For those who have been complaining that all these Catholic priest stories involve stale, old charges.

This is a good example of a properly resolved case of homosexual abuser priest by the archdiocese. The archdiocese removed him from the priesthood in 1977. What happened with this fellow later and his work near children show how gay-friendly, inclusive, and politically correct we are as a society.

4 posted on 03/29/2002 5:06:02 AM PST by heyheyhey
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Even 25 years later. Geez, the Church kicked him out. What more do they want?

Obviously this isn't just a Church problem, secular society doesn't have any better solutions ---these predators need to be locked up away from children or given the choice to be physically castrated.

5 posted on 03/29/2002 5:11:14 AM PST by FITZ
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...a priest is considered a priest forever...

Really? I've never heard this before. I would not call this man a priest. Would anyone else?

6 posted on 03/29/2002 5:12:35 AM PST by TankerKC
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from the St. Louis Public Schools.

Like the Catholic Church has control of the Public Schools and who they hire?

7 posted on 03/29/2002 5:13:29 AM PST by FITZ
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Also, from the article:

The archdiocese removed him from the priesthood in 1977.

I guess that would make him an Ex.

8 posted on 03/29/2002 5:14:33 AM PST by TankerKC
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He is a "priest forever" only in the same sense that every baptized person remains a "Christian forever" even if he practices buddhism.
9 posted on 03/29/2002 5:16:02 AM PST by RobbyS
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...a priest is considered a priest forever...

Really? I've never heard this before. I would not call this man a priest. Would anyone else?

It's true. Psalm 110: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."

The power to administer the sacraments persists forever. However, permission to do so can be permanently revoked, as was the case here. In the case of at least two of the sacraments, the absence of permission renders them invalid, not just illicit.

10 posted on 03/29/2002 5:24:46 AM PST by Steve0113
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BTW, the Israelis should be reading Psalm 110 today.
11 posted on 03/29/2002 5:28:58 AM PST by Steve0113
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Good point! V's wife.
12 posted on 03/29/2002 5:36:32 AM PST by ventana
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these predators need to be locked up away from children or given the choice to be physically castrated.

The latter isn't good enough. They want to get their hands on children and will abuse them in other ways. Lock them up.

13 posted on 03/29/2002 6:09:53 AM PST by Steve0113
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Even 25 years later. Geez, the Church kicked him out. What more do they want?

Prosecution! If the church had properly turned over their information to law enforcement, this man's ability to prey upon children would have been hampered.

Instead, they hush it up, and send him on his merry way to reoffend in other venues

The church has a higher duty, than any other earthly entity or organization to protect children, period. And they have not done so, but instead, sheltered the wolves.

It is an obscenity and an affront to God.

14 posted on 03/29/2002 7:32:53 AM PST by Valpal1
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Instead, they hush it up, and send him on his merry way to reoffend in other venues

And why would you still blame the Church for what he did in the 25 years after having been kicked out from the priesthood? How about placing some blame on the criminal justice system and some on our messed up permissive society, huh?

...they have not done so, but instead, sheltered the wolves.

Read the article again, please.

15 posted on 03/29/2002 7:56:37 AM PST by heyheyhey
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How about placing some blame on the criminal justice system

Did the church give the criminal justice system a crack at this predator 25 yrs ago, by turning him and their evidence against him over to LEO? NO, they hushed it up and sent him out to prey elsewhere. Rather than prosecute the wolf, they released him on flocks in other venues. Not their problem anymore. (and they had evidence, or they wouldn't have defrocked him.)

Sorry, the church has a duty to protect ALL children, when they have knowledge of a predator, but refuse to process it to LEO, to avoid PR fallout, they are complicit in the behavior of the wolves.

I love the church, but they must do what is right! No more half measures!

16 posted on 03/29/2002 8:13:54 AM PST by Valpal1
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Rather than prosecute the wolf...

The justice system made it perfectly legal to settle some criminal allegations outside of the court of law and prosecution. Ever heard of Michael Jackson?

There are more people to blame. We live in a world that is immoral and self-righteous at the same time.

17 posted on 03/29/2002 8:21:38 AM PST by heyheyhey
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Also I find it interesting that theologically, a priest is considered a priest forever, even if he is laicized, but when one of these guys is caught, he is always referred to by diocesan officials as an "ex-priest."

The guy wasn't even a Catholic anymore, for heaven's sake. It's certainly true that the mark of his ordination remains on his soul, but that's not anything the Church can undo.

The archdiocese got the guy out of the active priesthood 25 years ago, and he's not even a Catholic anymore. How is this in any way the Catholic Church's fault?

18 posted on 03/29/2002 8:27:55 AM PST by Campion
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So it's okay for the Holy Church to keep the letter of the law, while desecrating the spirit of the law, further exposing children to predators, because the reputation of the Church is more important than children

Could you explain that to Jesus' face?

You know the Church's duty. It must stop covering up, it has been derelict in protecting the flock and allowed wolves to serve as shepherds.

She has not protected herself, but instead covered her robes with the filth and gore of the crimes of the wolves she sheltered.

God is correcting the church and will heal her wounds, but they are self-inflicted.

19 posted on 03/29/2002 8:29:31 AM PST by Valpal1
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Did the church give the criminal justice system a crack at this predator 25 yrs ago, by turning him and their evidence against him over to LEO? NO, they hushed it up and sent him out to prey elsewhere.

Where do you see any evidence that the Church "hushed" anything "up"? The article doesn't say that.

If you commit a crime, it's not your employer's responsibility to go to the police and swear out a complaint. It's the victim's responsibility. The only responsibility your employer might have is to cooperate with law enforcement. You have no evidence that the Archdiocese didn't do that.

20 posted on 03/29/2002 8:31:03 AM PST by Campion
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