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To: Jeff Chandler
I think we can agree that the bishops need to take discipline more seriously. But as for your comments about mercy and compassion as being peculiarly feminine, I can't agree. The entire point of Christianity is that man is redeemed through unmerited grace. Paul makes quite clear that with the coming of the Kingdom, man's relationship to the Law is utterly changed. In the Kingdom, sin is wrong not because by the transgression of a moral code we can somehow offend the honor of God; it's wrong because by sinning we alienate ourselves from God and ultimately from life, in an act of existential suicide. This is not to dismiss the manly virtue of self-discipline; it's simply to remind you that self-discipline is only a means to an end, not the end itself.

As for unilateral disarmament, you're just mistaken. The Church works for authentic peace, but has never been pacifist. She has always recognised the right to self-defense, as a natural corollary of both the prohibition against killing and the duty in charity to protect the defenseless. The Church does prohibit indiscriminate killing, and for this reason she considers weapons of mass destruction to be illicit, as it's impossible to confine their use to lawful military targets.

53 posted on 03/28/2002 10:31:22 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Of course mercy and compassion are not exclusively feminine traits. It's the emphasis on those qualities at the expense of the fatherly traits of protectiveness and "tough" love that I observe. The results are self-eveident.
55 posted on 03/28/2002 10:37:40 PM PST by Jeff Chandler
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To: Romulus
The Church works for authentic peace, but has never been pacifist

I am refering to the AMERICAN Catholic bishops and their apparent moral relativistic approach to the cold war. I was in total agreement with them, but, unfortunately, we were proved wrong.

56 posted on 03/28/2002 10:41:28 PM PST by Jeff Chandler
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To: Romulus
But as for your comments about mercy and compassion as being peculiarly feminine, I can't agree. The entire point of Christianity is that man is redeemed through unmerited grace. Paul makes quite clear that with the coming of the Kingdom, man's relationship to the Law is utterly changed. In the Kingdom, sin is wrong not because by the transgression of a moral code we can somehow offend the honor of God; it's wrong because by sinning we alienate ourselves from God and ultimately from life, in an act of existential suicide. This is not to dismiss the manly virtue of self-discipline; it's simply to remind you that self-discipline is only a means to an end, not the end itself.

Giving second chances to buggerers of little boys profanes the concepts of mercy and compassion.

57 posted on 03/28/2002 10:43:46 PM PST by Jeff Chandler
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To: Romulus
Bump, bookmark.
61 posted on 03/29/2002 5:10:58 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: Romulus
But as for your comments about mercy and compassion as being peculiarly feminine, I can't agree. The entire point of Christianity is that man is redeemed through unmerited grace. Paul makes quite clear that with the coming of the Kingdom, man's relationship to the Law is utterly changed. In the Kingdom, sin is wrong not because by the transgression of a moral code we can somehow offend the honor of God; it's wrong because by sinning we alienate ourselves from God and ultimately from life, in an act of existential suicide.

Nicely said.

69 posted on 03/29/2002 6:17:44 AM PST by Taliesan
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