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Indian forces to train in Alaska
Deccan Herald ^ | Shyam Bhatia

Posted on 03/27/2002 11:37:37 AM PST by milestogo

Indian forces to train in Alaska

From Shyam Bhatia 
NEW DELHI, March 28 

Joint exercises are to take place between Indian forces and the US military in Alaska, Defence Minister George Fernandes has disclosed in an exclusive interview at his South Block office in New Delhi. 
This is the first time ever that Indian forces have been invited to participate in military exercises on the North American continent and the latest development is a pointer to expanding links between the defence establishments of the two countries that currently encompass intelligence sharing and joint naval patrols in the Indian Ocean between the Straits of Malacca and the Straits of Hormuz.
Mr Fernandes asserted that the climate and terrain in Alaska would match conditions in Siachen. As this is an area where the Indian and Pakistani armies have periodically clashed, any suggestion that the United States is actively boosting India's capabilities against Pakistan may cause friction between Washington and Islamabad.
Joe Cirincione of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington DC commented, "There are several levels on this. The level of co-operation is certainly solid evidence of the change in the relationship.”
The US only conducts these kinds of training exercises with its allies and very close friends.This is significant, it definitely marks new levels of co-operation
"However I'm not sure the US has considered all the political and diplomatic implications of joint training in this environment. It’s very likely that Pakistan will have a strong reaction. The same might be said of China. What’s the purpose of this training and who are they training against ?"
The Pentagon's Asia-Pacific command office in Hawaii, which deals with India, has confirmed the substance of Mr Fernandes' disclosure about the planned exercises in Alaska. "It looks like at some point in the future some soldiers from the Indian military will do some training at our mountain warfare centre in Alaska, which specialises in cold weather warfare skills", said a spokesman. "We haven't worked out the details or how many people will be involved."
Mr Fernandes declared in his 65 minute interview, "Post September 11 there has been a sea change in our relationship with the United States and things have changed.There will be not just ships going together in these areas (Indian Ocean), but also there will be joint exercises.
"Our troops and air force units will soon go to Alaska to do joint exercises. You wouldn't have thought about it earlier."
Asked to elaborate, he said, "After all the Indian army would also like to be trained in areas where the climate is like Siachen. There is nothing amazing about it, the two armies decide they should go for a training exercise.
"Our air force will also have joint exercises ( with the US) somewhere in our region. We haven't decided on a particular area, but all the three services will have joint exercises. There is nothing new in this, this is not something that started post September, this is something that was going on earlier.
"In the Malabar region the US and Indian navies used to have annual exercises till the sanctions were imposed on us and everything stopped -our officers going to their training institutions and their officers coming to our institutions. This was also going on in earlier times. But there is now a little additional movement taking place in terms of this military to military relationship."
Asked if joint exercises implied a sharing of strategic vision, Mr Fernandes replied, "Well, we have signed an agreement with the United States on what is known as GSOMIA. This is an agreement where intelligence sharing is agreed between both sides, secrecy of information and intelligence received is guaranteed and it doesn't confine itself just to intelligence sharing and guaranteeing. It also goes a little beyond in the sense that you then acquire a relationship which puts you strategically in a certain direction."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: india; militarycooperation; us

1 posted on 03/27/2002 11:37:37 AM PST by milestogo
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To: milestogo
Good. We have screwed around for decades with India ... they should have always been an American ally, not a Soviet client state.
2 posted on 03/27/2002 11:39:50 AM PST by mgc1122
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To: the_right_way
Yep ... their 1 billion people as well as their strategic location combined with similar interests makes for a very good combination.
4 posted on 03/27/2002 11:51:36 AM PST by mgc1122
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To: milestogo
Just wait till they find out that in US war games the bad guys are called "Indians".....are we bringing them in to be the OpFor?
5 posted on 03/27/2002 11:51:52 AM PST by ken5050
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To: mgc1122
No kidding. The world's two largest Democracies should have always been allied. It's kind of ironic that Afghanistan split us during the cold war and unified us today.
6 posted on 03/27/2002 11:55:25 AM PST by BJClinton
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To: milestogo
There are winter maneuvers [-60 or more] on the Tanana Flats, but that isn't mountainous at all, in fact it's barely above sea level.
7 posted on 03/27/2002 11:56:04 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: milestogo; Orual; aculeus; all
Mr Fernandes asserted that the climate and terrain in Alaska would match conditions in Siachen.
'This place is terrible . . . it's all snow, blood, and more snow'

Sunday 13 February 2000

By Christina Lamb in Siachen

ON the world's highest and most hostile battlefield where daily shelling continues, India and Pakistan have fought for 16 years over a glacier.

At 20,000 feet, it is so hard to breathe that simply walking requires a rest after every four paces, and so cold that the merest touch of metal on skin produces instantaneous frostbite. Speaking makes the head spin and the lack of oxygen can cause the lungs to fill with blood and fluid, suffocating the victim.

Yet up here, amid the soaring peaks where the Karakoram and Himalayas meet, elite forces of the Indian and Pakistani armies are waging war. It is the world's highest battlefield; it is costing both sides millions of dollars and thousands of lives. All to control an uninhabitable stretch of frozen wasteland.

"This is no place for man," admits Col Faisal Burki, the swashbuckling deputy commander of Pakistan's Siachen Brigade. "Here we are pushing human endurance to the limits." Figures provided to The Telegraph by the Pakistani army show that the conflict is costing the impoverished country a staggering £7.5 million a day, although they claim that India is spending many times that.

That the two poverty-stricken nations will go to such lengths to control a 40-mile long glacier of no strategic value does not augur well. They have fought three wars since Partition in 1947, and tensions between India's Hindu-nationalist-led government and Pakistan's military regime are running so high that many diplomats predict a fourth. Only this time it could be deadlier - in the past two years both countries have test-fired nuclear devices.

The battle for Siachen began in 1984 when Indian troops were airlifted on to the glacier and seized control of about two thirds. As one of the most northerly points of the disputed state of Kashmir, Siachen's high altitude meant that the ceasefire line demarcated in 1949 between the two nations had not reached this far. But Pakistan had always asserted control over the area and sent troops to the glacier.

Sixteen years on, after six failed rounds of talks, some 20,000 men are engaged in battle and there is daily shelling between the two sides. The war remains almost unknown outside India and Pakistan due to the difficulties in getting to Siachen. Accessible only by high-altitude helicopter, much of the time the region is completely cut off, and the weather can change so quickly that many helicopters - and men - are lost in blinding snow.

Blessed with the first clear day for weeks, the photographer Karen Davies and I boarded a Russian Mi17 helicopter at Rawalpindi air base for the long journey. Four hours later, on the ice at 14,000ft, it was not just the thin air that caught our breath. Used to the muted greens, browns and greys of the plains, we were confronted by a world of dazzling white and blue. The glacier's northern mountains include K2, the world's second highest mountain, and a crown of jagged peaks surrounded us.

But the world's most spectacular theatre of war is also the most hazardous. One Pakistani soldier is killed, on average, every four days on the glacier. But this is a battle with the elements rather than the enemy, where eight out of ten casualties are due to extreme weather conditions and avalanches.

At the forward positions, which range from 19,000 to 21,000ft, gale-force winds sweeping down from central Asia can bring temperatures down to -50C. Frostbite is a constant problem, men losing fingers which stick to their guns in the cold, and the high level of ultra violet rays mean that even with the strongest sun cream, the soldiers' faces are all burnt black.

Maj Gen Rashid Qureshi, Siachen Brigade Commander in 1993, recalls his own battle for survival. "I was rope-climbing up to 19,000 feet to inspect a post when a blizzard struck. There was so much wind and snow that there was no space between the snowflakes. "My glasses froze up and I couldn't see. I was short of breath, but when I inhaled my nose filled with snow. I was being suffocated by snow and it was all I could do to hang on to that rope. I thought: 'This is it' ."

Over the years, Pakistan has reduced weather casualties by a special acclimatisation programme. Soldiers are given three to four days to get used to every 1,000ft above 15,000ft - the point at which doctors say the ability to think diminishes.

Col Sabir Zaidi, the brigade's senior medic, says: "We are becoming world experts at high-altitude medicine." Having tested equipment from all over the world, they have reduced frostbite with special boots and socks, and they combat mountain sickness and pulmonary oedemas using sleeping bags fitted with pumps to increase barometric pressure.

The army has also created a surprising amount of infrastructure on the glacier's edge. Apart from a 50-bed hospital, its Goma transit camp boasts a sun-lounge, billiards hall, television room, mosque and two hot showers, as well as the world's highest cricket pitch. Solar panels and satellite dishes dot the landscape, along with an enormous pile of spent ammunition.

One reason for the enormous cost of the conflict is the difficulty of getting men and supplies to a region that can only be accessed by helicopters or, painfully slowly, by mules and on foot. Men can only endure 20 days at the high points and take a month to get there. It is even harder for the Indians, who have no roads to the region. Some soldiers find the isolation, coupled with the sense of operating in slow motion, drives them mad. "It's a terrible place. Nothing but snow, blood, and more snow," said one major.

But taking us up to a forward position where only hours earlier an Indian shell had exploded, Col Burki insisted that he relished the challenge. "We are determined to check the Indians," he said, twisting his moustache. "Every day they shell our posts - they always start it. But if they give me one blow, I give them 10."

That the two sides cannot agree to end this senseless conflict gives scant hope for bringing peace to the wider border dispute in Kashmir. Washington frets about the potential for it to escalate into all-out war. President Clinton is to visit Delhi next month in an effort to initiate talks, but with Pakistan off the itinerary because of last year's military coup, the attempt may backfire.

Not only has warmongering increased in recent weeks, but it has become highly personalised. India has not forgiven Pakistan's military leader, Gen Musharraf, for directing last spring's Kargil operation in which Pakistan seized positions that India had left unmanned during winter. Last week, Gen Musharraf told The Telegraph: "We don't want war and I don't think the Indians want war, but they are creating such hatred and hysteria that it is becoming increasingly difficult to negotiate."

As the winter snows melt and the two armies press forward, artillery exchanges at Siachen will become heavier. "I am a soldier not a politician, but I can say if the Indians don't leave there is a danger of full-scale war," said Col Burki. "This place may not look very useful but when you own something and someone takes it away, you fight for it."

© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2000.


8 posted on 03/27/2002 12:00:17 PM PST by dighton
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To: milestogo, Sawdring, Pericles
I used to have a link to a story from a year or so ago that US Special Forces have done some recent training in India aswell. It was at some high-altitude commando school that is a stone's throw from the Chinese border...
9 posted on 03/27/2002 12:04:55 PM PST by Aaron_A
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To: milestogo
Won't these military exercises cause environmental damage?
11 posted on 03/27/2002 12:08:12 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: ken5050
Just wait till they find out that in US war games the bad guys are called "Indians".....

No, no, no that only applies in "Cowboys & Indians". These guys are playin "Army" and the bad guys are called...(PC Police won't let me use the name(s)... )

;-)

12 posted on 03/27/2002 12:13:04 PM PST by varon
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To: milestogo
Joe Cirincione of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace:

"However I'm not sure the US has considered all the political and diplomatic implications of joint training in this environment. It's very likely that Pakistan will have a strong reaction. The same might be said of China."

Yes we did. And we think that people who think like you do suck, and need to be silenced! To appeasers: Away!!! Away!!! Good riddance!!!

13 posted on 03/27/2002 12:20:37 PM PST by GOP_1900AD
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To: milestogo
This is super! Screw the EU, make Russia and India our allies. Then we can face the ChiComs.
14 posted on 03/27/2002 12:26:24 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: the_right_way
Newsmax has hit a new low...
15 posted on 03/27/2002 2:51:02 PM PST by Aaron_A
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To: Aaron_A
I thinks it's a pretty standard low: one grain of truth and a bunch of distortion.
16 posted on 03/27/2002 4:13:05 PM PST by BJClinton
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To: aimlow
Having dealt with the Indian military before we are in no way allies, we have common cause right now. There is a strong reason why they sided against us and with the soviets.
17 posted on 03/27/2002 4:20:05 PM PST by aimlow
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To: Aaron_A
Thanks for the flag Aaron. Didn't Pericles get banned or is he on board again?
18 posted on 03/27/2002 8:19:37 PM PST by Sawdring
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