[Kermit]

Goldberg doesn't seem to consider, that "our guys" are not always going to be in charge of big government. How big do you want government with algore or john kerrey in charge? And ask liberals, how big a government do they want with Pat Buchanan or Jerry Falwell in charge? Let's compromise on much smaller government and much more individual freedom.

[hchutch]

But what gets us there from here?

That's what I don't see a lot of people asking.