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You know what? If this is true and he said it, he is finished. I hope you have his ear. Because nothing short of a veto is going to help him with the conservative or republican movement, it is dead. If he said this. Now get his ear or at least go away.

I no more have his ear than you do. He is going to sign the bill and let it go to court. It's funny, for the first time ever I saw "Independence Day" on TV. It was a great flick and enjoyable but I think the president as depicted in that movie is the ideal that some on here want Bush to mimic. They want him to stick it to the democrats with every sharp stick he finds, You want him to make fire and brimstone speeches blasting the evil democrats. But if anyone had paid the slightest attention to him in the campaign and while he was Texas Governor, that is not his style. DC was not only built on a swamp it is a swamp. If you go in yelling and thrashing around you will sink into the goo. I read the McConnell analysis of this bill and it so damned blatantly bad that I think the court could likely overturn the entire mess. I am not arguing that it would not be a good emotional feeling to see Bush rip the bill in two on TV but that is not the way he does things and the fact is, it wouldn't work anyway.

Remeber the first two weeks after 911 and no bombs were falling and then came the threads that Bush didn't have the sand to fight back?

I know how important this bill is concerning our constitutional rights. I know how it has affected those who have spoken so strongly on Fr. But I'm not sure how it is really being played on the street. If the news media is monitoring this site to get the pulse of Bush's base, according to many here Bush is in trouble.

There are some folk who honestly believe that this doesn't infringe on individual rights and their free speech. It is unfortunate and definately bad timing and judgment that President would joke about this, but from what I saw during the press conference he seemed to be peeved that he would be questioned about it during his press conference in Peru. That's no excuse of course but it is a consideration.