Awwww, c'mon! How can I say this more clearly? The issue is not about the reality of suffering in China, or about the pain that is accompanying China's transition to a new economic system.
In post #8, Joe clearly wished increased pain and suffering on the Chinese people. Judging from Joe's later comment in #24, he does not appear to care whether or not China makes the transition successfully; he just wants them to suffer. Am I the only one in this thread who finds that attitude to be appalling?