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Israeli weapons bear an embarrassing label: made in USA
The Sydney Morning Herald ^ | March 23 2002 | Paul McGeough

Posted on 03/23/2002 10:29:37 PM PST by Samir

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To: Samir
It doesn't embarrass me.
21 posted on 03/23/2002 11:09:58 PM PST by brat
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To: Samir
I find your facts very incriminating, aside from the fact that we know America has waged war with Israel agains a devastated people, which is why many Jews in a course at UCLA study the real history and realize how desperate your people are to be driven to becoming martyrs to get their situation paid attention to, finally, after 50 years, to have it ended one way or another, with the help of the UN, I trust.
If this quote "People in this trade make a lot of promises for face-saving purposes. There are provisions in international law on not using weapons on civilians, but defining civilians in a low-level war like this one can be an academic exercise." reflects our government's attitude, as it seems to, in its bias against Arafat, I hope that this Cordesman quoted, sees that "civilians" cuts both ways, that Israelis in pizza parlors as civilians is an academic phrase, as they are really aggressors, in a land that is not theirs. I wish we were also not as hypocritical as he about written agreements.
22 posted on 03/23/2002 11:12:40 PM PST by boltfromblue
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To: Samir
The US is embarrassed by the high profile given to some of its machinery in the occupied territories

Hmmm. I wonder who those Aussies surveyed when the came to the conclusion that the US is embarrassed by this. I consider myself part of the US, and it doesn't embarrass me. The US keeps getting all kinds of criticism for supporting Israel. And of course we all know that the real reason why we got attacked last September is because we are the biggest supporters of Israel. And apparently according to Islamic prophecy, we are getting in the way of their Allah-given purpose to kill Jews so that they can hasten the "end times" return of a now muslim-converted Christ. The only thing that embarrasses me is that our US officials keep advising the Israelis not to defend themselves while Palestinian terrorists continue to randomly blow up innocent civilians. It's like they keep telling them to just bend over and take it in the rear just because we have some shaky Arab alliances we have to appease with our war in Afghanistan. It's all so rediculous because in all these years Arafat has made it very clear that he has no interest in acheiving peace with Israel. Unfortunately, I don't think there will ever be any real peace in Israel until the Israelis finally tear down the Dome of the Rock, push out the Palestinians, and draw clear and defendable borders. So long as the Pals are allowed to walk freely in Israel they will continue to breed human bombs. Anyone see how the Pals treat their own who they suspect are Israeli sympathizers? They lynch their own people and string them up to make an example of them, just in case any Palestians might make the mistake of wanting peace with the Israelis.

If anyone has any great ideas about how to negotiate with people like this, you'd better get busy and publish your ideas!!!

23 posted on 03/23/2002 11:14:08 PM PST by Sally II
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To: All
Look, another one!
24 posted on 03/23/2002 11:17:46 PM PST by eclectic
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To: Samir
He reportedly went on: "We hate the Israelis for this ... but we hate America more."

More bombs for him! Exterminate the scum!

25 posted on 03/23/2002 11:22:58 PM PST by eclectic
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To: Sally II
"If anyone has any great ideas about how to negotiate with people like this, you'd better get busy and publish your ideas!!!"

Kill every last one of them!

26 posted on 03/23/2002 11:29:03 PM PST by dalereed
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To: boltfromblue
...aside from the fact that we know America has waged war with Israel agains a devastated people, which is why many Jews in a course at UCLA study the real history and realize how desperate your people are to be driven to becoming martyrs to get their situation paid attention to, finally, after 50 years, to have it ended one way or another, with the help of the UN, I trust.

Okay, that a pretty twisted sentence, boltfromblue, yet so typical of your progressive propaganda. You progressives get the most narrow-minded interpretations of historical facts. If you knew anything, you'd be aware of the fact that Israel has repeatedly made attempts to help the Palestinians. In fact they have made more attempts to help the Palestinians than any other Arab country --unless you count arms shipments and payments to martyr's family's assistance. The Palestinians have been whining about being displaced from their parent's old homes for decades now. In reality, their being displaced is really nothing special. They chose to leave at the same time that Jews were driven out of the other Arab nations. Do you think the Jews were given any special compensation from Iran or Iraq after they were kicked out? Do you hear the Jews who were displaced whining about the homes their parents were kicked out of? No. And do you know why? Because they were too busy making a new lives for themselves, just as people all over the world throughout every century have had to do after a war.

And is anyone concerned about how Palestinians are mistreated in Lebannon or Syria? Does anyone care that Palestinians are not allowed property rights or citizenship by their Arab neighbors? No. Wanna guess why no one, especially not your progressive friends, care about the mistreatement of Palestians in Arab lands. It's because the Palestinians serve a larger purpose by playing the devestated victims in Israel. There are many other groups of people in the world, who if put in the same position as the Palestinians, could have rebuilt thriving and prosperous lives and could have repaired relations with those who defeated them. But the Palestinians are more useful to the Arab world at large by remaining the poor, desperate victims, who are so powerless that they are driven to cowardly acts of random murder.

By the way, what is it with you progressives and your worshipful adoration of the UN. You people talk about the UN like it's made up of some perfect demigod people who are only capable of making just and righteous decisions at all times. That's BS. The UN is mostly made up of representaties of corrupt countries. And some of these countries send certain people to serve in the UN because they don't want those people making trouble back in their homeland. The UN might do a little good here and there, but for the most part it's just a big fat bureaucracy that can use a little deflating.

27 posted on 03/23/2002 11:44:38 PM PST by Sally II
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To: Samir
Israel has used AGM 114-D air-to-ground rocket made by Boeing and Lockheed-Martin in Florida fired from Apache helicopters and AGM 114-C made in Georgia to kill innocent civilians in Palestine

Good
.... maybe they'll use some of the 155mm artillery ammunition I'm sure we've sold them to good use.

Innocent Palestinian is an oxymoron on par with Islam is a peaceful religion.

Too bad we haven't given them large stocks of napalm ... but then I'm sure they have enough.

28 posted on 03/23/2002 11:48:58 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: Yehuda
I noticed that, I bet he/she doesn't post often and probably always on the same topic too
31 posted on 03/24/2002 12:08:22 AM PST by GeronL
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To: Kozak
It's not plastique......it's a homemade brew of acetone peroxide. That's why they keep accidently blowing themselves up before they are time on target per se.

Stay Safe !

32 posted on 03/24/2002 12:12:56 AM PST by Squantos
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To: Squantos
I miss the Latest Comments/Replies function darn it. I sometimes feel I'm the only one posting!
33 posted on 03/24/2002 12:18:24 AM PST by GeronL
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To: Samir
But on the ground, the Israeli choice of US weapons does make a difference. After the Israelis launched a US-built TOW missile in a helicopter attack on a Gaza police station last year, a staff member who survived confronted an American visitor. "This is what your country is doing," he said, holding up a part of the missile carrying the words "made in the USA". He reportedly went on: "We hate the Israelis for this ... but we hate America more."

But on the ground, the Iraqi choice of Russian weapons does make a difference. After the Iraqis launched a Russian-built SCUD missile in a attack on a Israeli city last year, a staff member who survived confronted an Russian visitor. "This is what your country is doing," he said, holding up a part of the missile carrying the words "made in the Russia". He reportedly went on: "We hate the Iraqis for this ... but we hate Russia more."

Make sense?

34 posted on 03/24/2002 12:20:00 AM PST by Iwentsouth
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To: Sally II
I think you got his number. Just another progressive here. Boltfromblue or whatever he calls himself.
35 posted on 03/24/2002 12:20:04 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Yehuda
Especially since they were given over 40,000 16's by Rabin/Peres/Barak/Clinton.

Thanks for the information...I didn't know that. But I had noted that M-16 style weapons
seemed to often appear in the hands of Palestinians in news photos.

Of course, I was being "ironic" in noting that the Palestinians had chosen to go
with a weapon that utilized the .223 round.
Sadly, I would not be shocked if the Palestinians aren't happy at the increased tissue
damage they can inflict with the .223 versus the round used in the AK-47.
36 posted on 03/24/2002 12:23:34 AM PST by VOA
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To: GeronL
Yeah ya have to make a couple of link buttons on your IE or NS address bar for general and or news. New ain't better IMHO. But hey I was raised resistant to change. We may see magic yet. JR does his best for us and I thank him for that. All this has done so far is create these to: "lists" as far as I can tell. I'll still send in a buck or so to help where I can..........

Stay Safe !

37 posted on 03/24/2002 1:19:24 AM PST by Squantos
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To: Samir
ROTFLMAO! We St. Louisans are quite pleased to have contributed in our small way to the betterment of the Israeli Air Force with the sale of the F-15. If our companies sell them anything else we'll be sure to sign our names all over the products, and slap stickers on them that says "Made with pride in the USA."

BTW, we're working on explosive American flags now. Hopefully those will take out some terrorist's bloodthirsty little relatives while they are doing one of their odd celebratory dances of death. When they get to the ritual flag-sacrifice to their serpentine suicide-god, and converge to flick their Bics on our flag, perhaps they'll get blown to right into Satan's arms... a little quicker than they anticipated, and so leave the rest of their people who don't celebrate suicide in peace.

Deservedly so- the god the radical Palestinians worship has deceived them into believing that through suicide they may obtain everlasting life in glory and comfort. There is no greater deception than that practiced on the Palestinians by their own people and by their fellow muslims who speak with forked tongues about glory in self-inflicted death. The words of a snake resound in Palestinian ears and befuddle their common sense; they are offered an apple in the form of bribe money from Arafat, but that apple is rotten to the core.

The real God gave you freedom already- but you have chosen not to accept it. You have chosen to serve another god instead, and have submitted yourself to nothing more than the worship of a smooth-talking snake. Some god. He's left you rolling in the dirt of a self-made hell, pathetic, immature, hateful and alone even among muslims. Radical palestinians have become snakes, living on their bellies and biting at the heels of working men, only to be crushed.

There are people far poorer than Palestinians on this earth who have not so disgraced themselves. There are people who truly know what it is to be oppressed, oppressed in ways the Palestinian people have yet to know, yet have not lowered themselves to the point of worshipping death. They have retained their pride and dignity because they were not deceived by a death cult. The Palestinians CHOSE their fate; they had no culture and no identity, so they CREATED a culture that was designed from the outset not to succeed or to prosper, but to do nothing more than the destroy of another culture. They chose to detroy tather than to build. To kill rather than to cultivate. They chose to manufacture enemies rather than friends. They chose to distribute ignorance because ignorance is a power source at the disposal of the leadership. They chose self-deception because they could not accept responsibility.

There are people who are in far worse shape than any Palestinian, people who face starvation and disease and truly MERCILESS enemies of the sort the Palestinians have never encountered. But these other people don't become suicide bombers or selfish murderous thugs, nor dance with joy over the death of their own kin. People who really know misery can be found in the Sudan, enslaved to Muslims. But as bleak as their existance is, they choose life rather than death. If anyone needs a hand it is these people- the Palestinians have it obscenely good in comparison. The bulk of the people in China have it FAR worse than any Palestinian. Many other people are in greater peril, reduced to mere tens or hundreds of souls by pressure from more dominant cultures- yet they have not disgraced themselves with a Palestinian-like worship of death. Others had been reduced in the past and are now rebounding and prospering as parts of new cultures, fully equal to the individuals in the culture that once absorbed them, doing better than they had in their history.

Hearing Palestinian terrorist sypathizers whine is like hearing a spoiled brat cry. Palestinians only fancy themselves to be 'opressed,' in much the same way that errant teenagers believe themselves to be abused when adults won't let juveniles vandalize the town for fun.

Of all the people of the world who have gone through defeat and eventually rose back up to become free men, only the Palestinians chose death rather than life. And so, the Palestinians have no culture, no morality, no ethics, no identity other than what they are not, and even those among them who are not terrorists are brought down and rendered poor and miserable by those who are. Radical palestinians have made not a culture, they made an anti-culture.

If Israeli territory were switched with Palestinian territory, the Palestinians would still be looking across the way at Israeli farms and prosperity with rage. Where a true culture can make a desert bloom, an anti-culture is like a blight that can take the most verdant land and turn it into barren desert, destroying any individual, including its own people, if they dare to defy the collective thinking of the mob.

38 posted on 03/24/2002 2:05:47 AM PST by piasa
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To: Samir
I find it far more embarrassing that the M16's used to kill Israelis have Made in USA on them. Do not forget, Clintoon shipped 20,000 M16's to Arafat as a sweetener on the peace trade. Remember that trade? Oslo by name, it was that Israel would surrender in pieces for Peace from the Arabs? Once the Arabs got armed for some reason the killings increased by over 300%. Go figure.
39 posted on 03/24/2002 2:06:48 AM PST by American in Israel
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