Abiogenesis: The First Frontier

Information Central ^ | 2/28/2001 | Steven Sawyer, Jon Sarfati

[Heartlander]

I intend to do so... Thank you! My hat is off to you sir.

[Heartlander]

It would seem that it is you who has the problem with definitions and defining….

[MeekOneGOP]

Bump for morning review......
Thanks, folks!........

[Heartlander]

Look, we are getting off the topic here – read the article.

[BMCDA]

I always wondered why a "creator" is only an issue with the Theory of Evolution but never with any other theory (Theory of Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, any gravitational or electrical theory, etc). No one ever claims that these are godless theories that deny a creator and thus lead to atheism and immorality. Yeah, 'tis really strange.

[Heartlander]

Is nature the creator?

[Heartlander]

Was anything created?

[BMCDA]

You're really obsessed with your creator, eh?

[Heartlander]

As much as you are I suppose...

[JediGirl]

thanks so much for the bump!

[Dimensio]

It would seem that it is you who has the problem with definitions and defining….

Apparently so, since I refer to the theory of evolution as defined by scientists while you use the strawman version defined by creationists.

[jennyp]

The tide comes in and gently brings more material for life to form and gently meandering rivers add to the serenity. What a beautiful picture. Now let's take a quick glimpse of reality. The tidal lagoon idea NEEDS everything to be calm and gentle or else it will disrupt the material and carry it back to sea. What proclaimers of this hypothesis fail to recognize is what the early earth really would have been like. According to secular scientists, the moon was much closer to the earth than it is today. It caused the tides not to be gentle waves but raging tsunamis hundreds and even thousands of feet high that swept over the continents 2-3 times per day. Nothing like being pummeled by billions of gallons of water to break the serenity, huh? Already the chances of abiogenesis are being ruined and we've hardly begun!

I dunno if tidal lagoons really are proposed as a serious hypothesis, but this argument against them backfires badly. A 1000 foot tall tide would create tidal lagoons for miles & miles inland. It would create many more tidal lagoons than we'd ever think of seeing today!

[Heartlander]

Define your theory so we can be on the same page here – it seem the theory of evolution has evolved lately…

[JediGirl]

Sir, no matter how you might chose to word it – evolution means nature is the creator.

How many times does he (Dimensio) have to explain to you that evolution does not exclude a creator, has nothing to do with a creator and it is Creationists who are so hell-bent on trying to make evolution anti-God because they perceive there is an attack on their lovely religion (by science, which is not able to take a position on the existence of a creator) because science can explain things that a "holy" book/its writers could not explain.

[BMCDA]

Well, I don't care whether there is a personal creator or not. Since I don't see any evidence in favor of such an entity I don't assume its existence.
To say that nature creates something is like saying that an earthquake in the Pacific created a Tsunami. IMO there is no need to anthropomorphize nature because natural processes simply occur, there is no planning mind behind.

[Heartlander]

That would depend upon the land topography. It is still just one point – and there are far more important ones…

[JediGirl]

Define your theory so we can be on the same page here – it seem the theory of evolution has evolved lately…

I believe he has already defined evolution as the change in the frequency of alleles over time. Have a lovely day.

[Heartlander]

The occurrence is still natural – it is done by nature?

[Heartlander]

You too…

[BMCDA]

Nature as I understand it is the universe in its entirety. Therefore to say that the universe in its entirety creates this or that doesn't make much sense and the word create loses any meaning.
Of course you can antropomorphize nature as in "Mother Nature". Then you can say that Mother Nature created this or that but I don't subscribe to this latter view.