Posted on 03/22/2002 7:55:50 AM PST by codebreaker
Great in depth article, Tom Burnett's wife also says that before getting on the plane September her husband was having 'visions' of varoius sites in Washingtom including the White House.
Burnett, a devout Catholic took it as a sign from God that he would be called on to somehow serve his country in the nations capital.
Perhaps you could simply post a 'separated at birth' comparison....
Homosexuals force their will on students and their parents using a government entity - the public schools. They use taxpayer money to set up homosexual clubs (GSA's) and use the schools to further their agenda.
Even when parents rights laws are in place (and parents sign opt out forms to have their kids kept out of homosexual indoctrination sessions), parents are often not notified that their children are being forced to attend homosexual sessions. The rights of parents and students are being trashed. How parents choose to raise their children is none of the homosexual community's "d@mn business", yet public schools are a willing participant in the forcing of the homosexual community's will on those parents and their children.
Then get rid of the damned public schools.
But then where's me an Lurlene gonna sent our chiddren what to learn making fancity foldered napkins for when we's havin over vistors?
You and Khepera have degenerated into who can spout out the biggest insults or who can get their posts deleted by the moderators quicker. This is worse than a bunch of kids on the playground screaming "I'm more conservative than you" "No I am" "No your not, I am", etc.
Because you can't seem to understand what I'm saying, I'll say it again. I do not approve of homosexuality as well as PETA, NOW, liberals, and so on. I'll let God take their measure when the time comes. If he finds them lacking because of their homosexuality, then so be it. I live my life quite well, my family is quite normal, I am quite happy and not full of hate like some.
You all are the reason liberals are able to scare so many people away from voting conservative. When GW loses the next election, it won't be his fault, it'll be because people like you scare everybody else. You'll be posterboys for the anti-Christians out there, they can point at you and say "look at those hatemongers, they want you all to be locked up if you so much as have a deviant thought" You'll then have another 4-8 years to piss and moan over what's wrong with this country and how a liberal president is running this nation into the ground.
This is very juvenile of me to say, and it'll probably get deleted (sorry mods), but you sure do seem to know a lot about homosexuals and their desires. You know much more than I do. I am impressed and yet slightly disgusted at the same time.
If one remains under the Old Testament system of Law you can certainly find that homosexuality is dealt with regardless of it not being in the Ten Commandments. However, if one accepts a New Testament perspective then what your espousing above is a common error that the majority of mainstream Christians make and, by extension, those who are students of Christianity at any level often do as well.
The book of Romans does the most effective job of delineating the difference between an Old Testament perspective on sin vs the New Testament perspective on sin. The first 5.5 chapters of Romans deals with sins that can be enumerated where as the next 3.5 chapters (through Romans 8) deal with the principle of sin or the condition of sin depending on whichever makes sense.
The sins that we commit (murder, hate, lust and so on) are manifestations of a deeper issue and that is the condition of sin which is a fundamental state of depravity or a nature that is ultimately in contradiction to God. Many Christians become discouraged in how they live their lives because they focus on trying to stop sinning by focusing on their sins. This is fundamentally a "law oriented" approach to life and it's self-defeating. When God gave us the Law it was good and perfect but He knew that we would not be able to fulfill it. It was given to show us how weak we truly are - enslaved to our passions.
When one recognizes the heart of the issue for what it is then it becomes a matter of realizing that it's not within us to solve this problem. That's why so few people are unable or unwilling to understand/accept Christianity. Including many "Christians." We are so indoctrinated in the notion that God helps those who help themselves or the notion that we are rich in resources and self-sufficient and to admit we are frail and poor and naked means somehow we have in some way castrated ourselves and need a crutch on which to live.
So we cling to notions of self-sufficiency because we truly and genuinely believe (both Christian and non-Christian alike) that we can, through our own efforts, solve our problems. That notion is in direct contradiction to the New Testament perspective of Sin and Grace.
My point? Paul said if you hate your brother you are no different than a murderer. To point to the 10 commandments and say that God somehow winks at homosexuality because it's not listed shows an incomplete understanding of God's perspective on sin. Sin is to be in contradiction to the character and will of God. God has clearly enumerated homosexuality as a sin in the Old Testament and the New Testament (Romans 1 for example). Committing the sin of sodomy concludes one to be a sinner as much as a lier, a thief or a murderer. It is enough that it is mentioned – where it’s written is of little consequence – it’s still a sin.
Now before anyone gets to upset with me for saying that know this - I number myself in that list. I am subject to my own issues of Sin before God. I am no better than a homosexual, a murderer, a thief or a liar when it comes to the high standard of Holiness that God has set before us. The New Testaments states without exception that we are all under the condition of Sin.
Christians activists and homosexual activists are diametrically opposed and will remain at impasse. The only way for that impasse to be breached is for a Christian to love the sinner and hate the sin (which means we should be less hateful in our communications) or for the homosexual to acknowledge their condition before God and deal with it before God. However, as long as homosexuals try to debate this issue in the public forum they can expect resistance. Unfortunately not everyone will behave properly in these debates but bad behavior does not invalidate an argument. That would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater and that’s bad (I hope that cliché still holds true).
I have GOT to learn how to be as succinct as this! Excellent points.
I’ve not had any of my posts deleted, you’re just not sharp enough to know the difference I guess. And I can’t help it you’re a little challenged when it comes to knowing what you’re talking about, I’ll try not to point it out so often if it hurts your feelings.
This is worse than a bunch of kids on the playground screaming "I'm more conservative than you" "No I am" "No your not, I am", etc.
You are right except kids on a playground probably would have a better grasp of right and wrong than you do.
Because you can't seem to understand what I'm saying, I'll say it again.
Don’t bother, repeating the same thing over and over won’t make it true. “Conservatives” are socially conservative, unlike you and the other Liberaltarians, if you had any integrity perhaps you could address that.
You all are the reason liberals are able to scare so many people away from voting conservative. When GW loses the next election, it won't be his fault, it'll be because people like you scare everybody else.
Ye hath little faith in GWB. Still laughing about your “conservative” views on perversion though, thanks.
You'll be posterboys for the anti-Christians out there, they can point at you and say "look at those hatemongers, they want you all to be locked up if you so much as have a deviant thought" You'll then have another 4-8 years to piss and moan over what's wrong with this country and how a liberal president is running this nation into the ground.
Hehehe…I can see you have nothing more to contribute to this conversation other than incoherent and baseless accusations so I’ll let you have the last word. Too bad you couldn’t have at least tried to answer any of my questions, I guess they might have broken your concentration when you gave that fine well thought out dissertation on probable cause and unenforcement. It was a joke right? Tehe…
Sin is sin and all of it must be asked for forgivness on...and stealing from your job is not considered a 'lesser' act in the eyes of God.
Please don't think I'm working against you here. In fact, I wrote my long essay not with you in mind as I'd not read that much of the thread and I think some of your posts had already been deleted. I was writing more in response to what was said about "sin" and the Ten Commandments than I was anything else - but had to cover a lot (at least I felt like I did) in order for the complete thought to be effectively conveyed.
Your laughing at the fact that I don't like nor approve of homosexuality????
I do have a lot of faith in Bush, otherwise I wouldn't have voted for him Governor of my state twice and President of this country. Although he is becoming very liberal in many issues that I don't care for (immigration, creating thousands more federal jobs, among others) and not pushing hard enough in others (abortion, affirmative action) I have a lot of faith in him. He won't lose the next election because of anything he did (even if the press tries to blow up little things), he'll lose it because of people such as yourself who are running around preaching hate.
God has the final say in what is and what isn't sin. While I consider homosexuality a sin, and while some don't, I do know that it is not the place of the government of the United States of America to dictate that homosexuality (not talking about sodomy, but homosexuality in general) is illegal, because that would come very close to the government intertwining with religion, and I do not want the government in my Church, nor do I want my Church in the government.
Go ahead and belittle this and throw in a bunch of fluff insults and don't address any substantial issues, like you've been doing. Ignore what I'm saying in plain English, and try to read into things that can't be read into. That's what I've come to expect from you all.
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