Posted on 03/22/2002 7:55:50 AM PST by codebreaker
Great in depth article, Tom Burnett's wife also says that before getting on the plane September her husband was having 'visions' of varoius sites in Washingtom including the White House.
Burnett, a devout Catholic took it as a sign from God that he would be called on to somehow serve his country in the nations capital.
In my view, Bingham is nothing but a convenient poster boy for the gay agenda -- and his heroism, if any, is cheapened as a result.
Bingo!!!! You nailed it and phrased it perfectly.
As they have a record on the cell phones of ALL the men rushing the cockpit praying the 23rd Psalm and reciting the lord Prayer, I cannot say with absolute impuntiy that Mark did not ask god for forgiveness for his lifestyle before a certain death situation (overtaking an airplane without a pilot)
The heroism question not for us to decide if we don't know what happened... I would tell my child exactly this that those men did a brave thing but first had to settle the score with god.
Well, I'm not sure exactly what we disagree on. I in no way wish to impune Mr. Bingham. However, Tom Burnette is clearly identifiable as a ringleader in the counter-attack. Mr. Bingham, were he not being promoted because he is homosexual, would be no more identifiable than any of the other passengers besides Burnette. Have any other names besides Burnette and Bingham received publicity? No. Burnette received his publicity because of his phone call to his wife, his clear ringleading, and "let's roll." Mr. Bingham received his publicity because news agencies loved the gay hero angle. Did Mr. Bingham help rush the highjackers? Probably, but not provably (at least not in any evidence I've heard.)
As to the question of Mr. Bingham's salvation, We're on exactly the same page. Good little boys don't go to heaven because there aren't any good little boys, or grown men for that matter. I can't claim any moral high ground on anyone else because I'm a sinner. I get into heaven because Jesus bought my ticket. He bought my ticket because He chose me and I asked Him to. I assume the same for Mr. Bingham. If he asked for the ticket by confessing JC as his Lord and Savior, he's there. I hope he did and he is. BTW, yes, I believe homosexuality is a sin. I also believe we are forgiven sins, if we ask for forgiveness.
I was simply paraphrasing what he'd said earlier, that he's "part of God's plan." Read the post yourself.
Maybe his point was clear but it was a specious analogy and you know it. The victory of one political candidate over another is inevitable no matter who wins. What's the alternative? Endless uprisings and military coups. I'm sure you don't support that.
However, social policy laws are altogether different. Social policy is a matter of degree. It's not either/or like choosing a political candidate. We don't have 100% totalitarianism or 100% anarchy.
If you don't understand the difference I don't think I could explain it to you. Willfull myopia is something I won't entertain.
Oh, get a clue. You're making yourself look like an ignorant fool. Everything you just claimed is 100% polar opposite from what libertarians believe. Keep talking Khpera, you'll hang yourself.
Seems the Libertarians support many activities which are detrimental to society as a whole.
Wrong! Dead wrong. You think it's detrimental to society because it's not the frightening fundamentalist hardline agenda you support. Personally I believe if people like you ever got into power this country would be doomed. Thankfully, you're just a marginal opinion on the looney fringe that everyone can easily dismiss.
According to what libertarians believe, Thomas Jefferson would be a libertarian if he were here today. Fact!
The problem is some people can't dicipher between God and litte voices in their head. I'm sure David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Fred Phelps all believed that they were called by God too, but in reality they were crazy loons motivated by pent up hatred and a burning desire for power over others.
I would also request that you do not call me names since I have not called you stupid or ignorant or a fool. If you read the Bible you will find that it is very clear and you do not need to have little voices in your head to understand what it says. You should also be very careful what you say about Christians since I have met many Libertarians who profess to be Christians. You may end up shooting yourself in the foot. You may also become aware that Christians are not a minority fringe lunatic group in this country. You may also find that these Christians are not all Passive folks who will roll over and let you denigrate them as you please.
I understand your angst over not being allowed to freely pursue your selfish desires which have proven to be detrimental to the health and well-being of society. These poor choices will affect your family and friends in a detrimental way. When you choose to participate in the activities you may think you're hurting no one but in fact all those around you are affected. Go ahead and take drugs, kill your unborn offspring and have homosexual sex or hire prostitutes but you and your family and friends coworkers and associates will all suffer. Someday if you live long enough you may even get a chance to realize these truths.
Like I said before, go ahead and keep talking. You only convince everyone here what a total nutcase you are. Excellent jumping to conclusions here. FYI, I've never done a single one of the things you've mentioned here. You don't seem to understand that I stand for individual liberty and accept that it's not my place to dictate to others how they should live so long as they don't commit force or fraud against me. I'm not a wannabe tyrant!
I'm not saying all Christians are marginal fools, only you. And you completely lack credibility if you're going to deny that people like David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Fred Phelps all justified their actions by claiming to be doing it under the aegis of God's calling, JUST LIKE YOU. Spooky!
You forgot to mention that their parents didn't give them enough attention when they were growing up ;-)
You are right though, and I believe there are some here who for some reason become filled with hatred towards certain groups (doesn't matter what group) that they do kinda get loony at times.
God made us in His image. He didn't make us full of hate. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
There are some that somehow think that because Bingham was gay, that it overshadows the fact that he was a hero and a conservative. It really bothers them that he did something that helped make a difference (and became a hero in the process), or he shared some of the beliefs they did. They want to believe that homosexuals are animals.
I'm not defending homosexuals, I consider them to be in the same group with democrats/liberals, PETA, greenpeace, etc. I don't care for some of the things they believe in or do, but if they want to do something that I don't care for, in the privacy of their homes, I'm not going to obsess over it like some here do.
I also don't place homosexuality at the top of the sin chart like some do. I've read the Bible from cover to cover. There's a little thing called The Ten Commandments. They are not suggestions. They are the 10 big sins according to the head honcho, God. Homosexuality is not in there. As a matter of fact, many people that conservatives have high regards for, have broken one or more of the Ten Commandments. They will have to answer to God, just as homosexuals will. I do not think God will judge anybody based on just one aspect of their life. But I can't speak for God, because I don't have the little voices in my head ;-)
Exactly.
Except for Mark Bingham, who chose to fight and save [potentially] thousands of lives. He could have let other passengers fight in order to avoid possible injury, but instead he took the hijackers on knowing full well he may die, even if the other passengers are saved. That certainly throws a monkeywrench in your claim, doesn't it?
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