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New Flight 93 Rolling Stone Article-Mark Bingham 9/11 Hero Described as 'Proud, Gay &..REPUBLICAN!!'
Rolling Stone Magazine (Current Issue with Shakira on cover) ^ | April 11, 2002 Issue | Randall Sullivan and Various Fight 93 family members

Posted on 03/22/2002 7:55:50 AM PST by codebreaker

Great in depth article, Tom Burnett's wife also says that before getting on the plane September her husband was having 'visions' of varoius sites in Washingtom including the White House.

Burnett, a devout Catholic took it as a sign from God that he would be called on to somehow serve his country in the nations capital.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 911; bingham; burnett; hero; sasu; whitehousevision
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To: NittanyLion
I honestly believe in my heart that if Mark Bingham as they were reciting the 23rd Pslam and the lords prayer to go and voted to go overpower the hjackers...if he honestly asked for repentance and forgiviness for his lifestlye than he is in heaven.
101 posted on 03/22/2002 11:43:43 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: foreverfree
I take that to mean that you agree with me on the "poster boy" issue.

English, do you speak/read it? They obviously agreed with you on the "poster boy" issue. Hello? Anybody there?

102 posted on 03/22/2002 11:43:47 AM PST by texlok
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To: foreverfree
Of course he is a poster boy. For better or worse, that's what homosexuals do when one of their own does something that is commendable. Just like they try to suppress it when one of their own does something unsavory. It's self-serving hypocracy.
103 posted on 03/22/2002 11:47:20 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior
And it is also interesting that the fact that Mark Bingham was a Republican had been not disclosed for a full 6 months.
104 posted on 03/22/2002 11:51:42 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: FreeTally
Its better to make the sheeple think "Heroes" took the plane down than admit we did the right thing and shot it down

Do you really believe these fantasies of yours?

105 posted on 03/22/2002 11:51:49 AM PST by arm958
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To: dead
If the plane was shot down, why wouldn't the government take credit for getting at least one thing done right?

Who would have looked at the WTC and the Pentagon and faulted the government for that action?

I considered that myself. Basically, I think it would be an open admission, the first one at that, that "we" kill our own. If they admit it once, then it gives credibility to many "conspiracy theories". I think "they"(after much discussion, Im sure) saw the best course of action to be to perpetuate this story about heroes(dont get me wrong, Im not doubting they tried and possibly succeeded). The government may have consdiered that they would tell the truth after the initial shock was over, but after the stories of the phone calls came out, why say, "Yeh, they were heroes, but we shot it down and can never know if the passengers may have been able to stop it". There would be no reason to tell the truth.

And delving further into "conspiracy land", lets say the passengers had been able to stop the hijackers, and land the plane safely. Is it possible that the passengers may have seen or heard something that would implicate people other than foreign terrorists, or give serious doubt to "how this all happened"? I don't know myself, and I'm not saying this was the case, but it easily could have been. There have been dozens of threads theorizing all sorts of things about 9/11, some of which are surely pure BS. But who knows, really? Its best to keep an open mind. The government has given us no reason to trust it lately.

I personally doubt most of those theories, but I believe we shot it down as a precaution.

106 posted on 03/22/2002 11:56:34 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: texlok
Nope. Absent. Blank. Lights off. Vacant. A big VOID. Does that answer your question?
107 posted on 03/22/2002 11:57:30 AM PST by Kay
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To: texlok; GSWarrior
texlok, I was just making sure that GSW wasn't being cryptic.

GSW, I'm glad we're in agreement.

foreverfree

108 posted on 03/22/2002 11:58:08 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: Khepera
Yes, I vote. I haven't missed a single election on the county, state, or federal level since I was elilgible.

But you're wrong in your conclusion. I vote for candidates that support freedom, not forced compliance their fundamentalist beliefs.

109 posted on 03/22/2002 12:00:16 PM PST by tdadams
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To: arm958
Do you really believe these fantasies of yours?

I believe that the government shot it down as a precaution, and decided that with the public knowedge of the cell phone calls, it was best to not "rock the boat" and let everyone believe the passengers brought it down.

The "government" has never even addressed the "bomb theory". You know, how people even here on this thread claim that debris was found 8 miles away because of a bomb. If thats the case, then I believe the government has even more explaining to do as to how someone got a bomb(not just razors or box cutters) onto the plane.

110 posted on 03/22/2002 12:01:31 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: foreverfree
Are you in agreement with me, that both gays and people such as yourself are using him to further your own agendas?

I ask, because you never made a clear point, as to why his homosexuality should take away from what he did in the final minutes of Flight 93.

111 posted on 03/22/2002 12:04:24 PM PST by texlok
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To: Khepera
I notice that the snivelling tends to go in the same circles no matter who is posting it.

I think it's interesting that NL wants to forgive a SAD if they are conservative? Should we let conservative thiefs out of jail so they can vote or something?

But the one that catches me most is the accusation that you are "called by G-d." Somehow that is supposed to be an insult?

I know that you do not personally feel called by G-d any more than any citizen is called to do his/her duty. But you should be pleased and humbled that so many see the hand of G-d in what you are doing.

Hopefully, they will come to understand what the hand of G-d is telling them before they see His face.

Shalom.

112 posted on 03/22/2002 12:05:28 PM PST by ArGee
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To: tdadams
But you're wrong in your conclusion. I vote for candidates that support freedom, not forced compliance their fundamentalist beliefs.

I thought Khepera's point was pretty clear. If your candidate wins, you support a system that forces - forces those who didn't support your candidate to accept him. It uses the force of arms to enforce their acceptance.

Only whe G-d restores all things will there be true freedom. Until then we will have governments that impose someone's will on someone else's. You may claim that it's OK for the U.S. government to impose your will because you are good - but that's just your own viewpoint speaking.

Shalom.

113 posted on 03/22/2002 12:08:08 PM PST by ArGee
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To: Khepera
Thanks. You know, I obviously don't share all of your (for lack of a better phrase)fundamentalist beliefs. But I do worship God and try not to judge other people's beliefs. There is a lot of wisdom in what you say and I am sure I could learn a lot from you. Some of what you say, however, seems a little hard-line to me.
114 posted on 03/22/2002 12:08:24 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: ArGee
I think it's interesting that NL wants to forgive a SAD if they are conservative? Should we let conservative thiefs out of jail so they can vote or something?

Are you comparing homosexuals to thieves? I'd be interested in your take to the question posed earlier - do all homosexuals go to Hell?

115 posted on 03/22/2002 12:08:27 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
Are you comparing homosexuals to thieves? I'd be interested in your take to the question posed earlier - do all homosexuals go to Hell?

Morally homosexuals are worse than thieves.

There is no sin that can send someone to hell. People only go to hell who reject the rule of G-d in their (temporal and) eternal lives.

Shalom.

116 posted on 03/22/2002 12:09:57 PM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Morally homosexuals are worse than thieves.

They are? Do homosexuals take direct action against their fellow humans? Thou Shalt Not Steal...that sounds pretty serious to me.

117 posted on 03/22/2002 12:11:49 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: tdadams
Yes you’re a Libertarian right? Well the libertarians wish to force their beliefs on us and are willing to have government use deadly force to back it up. That is unless your part of the anarchist Libertarian wing. You support the killing of unborn babies and the promotion thereof. You support Homosexuals in their activities. You support unrestrained drug use and promotion. Now you may not personally support these things but the party does. Your personal beliefs will not stifle the parties beliefs. Seems the Libertarians support many activities which are detrimental to society as a whole. You wanting to force your beliefs on me and then not wanting me to force my beliefs on you does not seem like rational thought to me.
118 posted on 03/22/2002 12:12:46 PM PST by Khepera
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To: Khepera
You support the killing of unborn babies and the promotion thereof. You support Homosexuals in their activities. You support unrestrained drug use and promotion. Now you may not personally support these things but the party does.

As you well know, believing the government does not have legitimate power to forcibly stop individuals from performing activities is NOT the same as supporting those activities. But why let the truth stop you?

I find it very interesting that someone who claims their cause is a righteous one has such an easy time lying.

119 posted on 03/22/2002 12:15:15 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Khepera
Incidentally, most libertarians I know do not support or condone abortion. They believe aborting a baby is murdering another human, and no one has the right to do so. Of course, you knew that was the case as well, didn't you?
120 posted on 03/22/2002 12:16:29 PM PST by NittanyLion
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