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Bush A Religious Bigot? Yes, says The New Republic
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| Clay Waters
Posted on 03/21/2002 10:00:24 AM PST by edmundburk
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Not really. Then they wouldn't be atheist. Holy cow! I think someone skipped their Philosophy 101 class.
Of course you can derive a moral basis for behavior without a belief in a divine being.
To: edmundburk
Ahem, now who is defining who there? Or could it be the New Republic has an agenda of encroaching on the jurisdiction of the President and Ashkroft for silly pretexts and inventions? Who would ever be so stupid as to trust the New Republic with protecting our own jurisdictions and opinions indeed.
To: warpsmith , justshutupandtakeit
Of course you can derive a moral basis for behavior without a belief in a divine being. Some use it without believing it. Many people out there believe the Earth is flat but live by the physics of a round Earth. It's nothing new.
To: edmundburk
This tempest in a teacup reminds me of a line from The Big Lebowski where the bad guys, a group of nihilists, realize that Jeff Bridges, John Goodman and Steve Buscemi aren't going to give them the money they've been chasing:
Bad guy: "But it's not FAIR!"
John Goodman: "Whaddya mean, 'It's not fair?' YOU'RE A NIHILIST!!!"
No offense meant to athiests and agnostics -- I just think it's funny...
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posted on
03/21/2002 10:52:28 AM PST
by
ellery
To: justshutupandtakeit; JohnnyM
Call it semantics, but Religion isn't the issue. The quote is:
But what about people of no faith at all?
The issue is faith. You can debate whether or not atheism is a religion, but it's evident that atheists do have faith. You can't prove a negative, so the greater burden of proof is on the atheist to convince him/herself that there is no God, god, or gods. That in itself requires faith. My faith as a Christian is in Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Their faith as an atheist is in the fact that all proclaimed or unproclaimed deities do not exist. If they could prove that, THEY would be God!
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posted on
03/21/2002 10:53:41 AM PST
by
ke4vtw
To: justshutupandtakeit
Totally disagree -- morality and religion can be linked, but they don't have to be...atheism doesn't seem like a moral stance so much as a philosophical one.
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posted on
03/21/2002 10:53:49 AM PST
by
ellery
To: edmundburk
always a reference point...hehehhehe remember CONTACT ? at first Jody Foster could not go to that wormhole thing ....WHY ? She did not believe in God and the panel said....95% of civilazation believes in a God.......now how many gays are in the population ? same tiny %. See how it works......they are not mad at Dubya,they are mad ay God.
To: Khepera
Athiests aren't worth mentioning. Actually they aren't worth anything. One might say they are worthless. Is this your Christian belief?
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posted on
03/21/2002 10:55:56 AM PST
by
ellery
To: edmundburk
"the Bush administration never mentions unbelievers"
I don't recall ANY president specifically referring to unbelievers. Did Clinton routinely - or ever - refer to unbelievers? Once again, a critic is trying to make something out of nothing.
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To: Khepera
I would think that you would see atheists as potential Christians.
To: edmundburk
Hmm . . . I don't remember this writer authoring a screed when Bubba carried that Big Black Bible or when he talked about creating a "New Convenant."
To: Steve_Seattle
I don't recall ANY president specifically referring to unbelievers. Did Clinton routinely - or ever - refer to unbelievers? Once again, a critic is trying to make something out of nothing. As an aside, Blair has been fairly inclusive in his speeches, mentioning those of all faiths and no faith.
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To: ellery
It is just my opinion.
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posted on
03/21/2002 11:20:19 AM PST
by
Khepera
To: GSWarrior
Possibly
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posted on
03/21/2002 11:21:09 AM PST
by
Khepera
To: toupsie
Why can you not have morality without faith? What if you realize living morally makes you happy? Or is morality only a way to get into heaven?
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Under your definition, Buddhism is not a religion. But here in my Merriam/Webster 9th New Collegiate has here in definition #4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.
To: JohnnyM
atheism is a belief system, yes. But it is not a religeon. I think most 5 y.olds would understand that a religeon needs a supreme being (other than man himself)to be properly called one. Likewise many cults are organized like religeons but are still called cults.
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posted on
03/21/2002 11:28:52 AM PST
by
ffusco
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