Critics protest using treated wastewater on Arizona ski slopes

Associated Press ^ | 3-20-02

[Oldeconomybuyer]

PHOENIX (AP) --

[Oldeconomybuyer]

Setting aside the humorous aspect of using wastewater to create snow ... the use of the phrase "enviornmental racism" is pathetic.

[Wolfie]

"Watch out where the huskies go...
Please don't eat the yellow snow."

[GSWarrior]

The city of Flagstaff will probably win this dispute. However, it remains to be seen whether pumping treated sewage water on the top of a mountain will increase business.

The article doesn't mention what factors led to the slow year. The economy? Less snow than usual?

[grumpster-dumpster]

"The article doesn't mention what factors led to the slow year. The economy? Less snow than usual?"

Sh**ty Ski conditions?

[Dick Bachert]

I was a member of our county Water and Sewer Authority and can tell you that high 2nd stage and 3rd stage treated wastewater is damn near drinkable!

In fact, the joke around here USED to be that when the folks downstream from Atlanta wanted more water, we all flushed our toilets a few more times a day. Now, WE'RE getting ready to recycle it to ourselves -- out of NEED!

These environwackos need lives...

[Deguello]

Another saying is "If God had meant for Texans to ski, he would have made cow patties white".

We just lease out Colorado instead from the natives.

[ganesha]

"Mother nature has been sending us a very strong message" Murray said, "for the future of skiing in Arizona, snowmaking is required"

This man has a very strange concept of nature. What in the heck is natural about downhill skiing in Arizona? Not to mention piping large volumes of water uphill into the mountains. He lives in a southern state which is kind of marginal territory for skiing. Because there are mountains, sometimes they get enough snow for people to ski. Therefore, he wants the government to subsidise snowmaking so that he can have snow when nature does not provide it.

[MARTIAL MONK]

No snow.

If you want to see racism try to hike the upper reaches of Agassiz. There is a good possibility that you will be met and turned back by Indian nutcases. No Whites allowed. The Dine' (Navajo) may consider the San Franciscos "sacred" but you have to remember thet they got to the area AFTER the white man.

[S.O.S121.500]

Its the Snowbowl in the years that it snows, Rockbowl the years it doesn't. But soon we can call it the Tidy Bowl.

[MARTIAL MONK]

This man has a very strange concept of nature. What in the heck is natural about downhill skiing in Arizona? Not to mention piping large volumes of water uphill into the mountains. He lives in a southern state which is kind of marginal territory for skiing. Because there are mountains, sometimes they get enough snow for people to ski. Therefore, he wants the government to subsidise snowmaking so that he can have snow when nature does not provide it.

Where did you read this? The San Franciscos are 12,000+ feet ASL. There is usually enough snow to ski. In order to guarantee a season in an occasional bad year or series of bad years they want to BUY effluent and pump it (at their own expense) to the ski area. The lines have to cross Forest Service land and the use has to comply with their Forest Service permit. For this they need permission.

Name a major ski resort that does not make snow.

[oldvike]

I used to do environmental consulting for local municipalities and can tell you that properly treated wastewater comes out damn near potable. It's much, much cleaner than any water running through a river or stream. Of course, trying to convince anybody without knowledge in the field is damn near impossible.

[S.O.S121.500]

Dine (Originally named "Navajo" by the Spanish meaning THIEF) carry on their culture and traditdion to this day. Who would suspect they were a conquored and subjugated people. Per our goobermint more like a protected species.

[Age of Reason]

It's much, much cleaner than any water running through a river or stream. Of course, trying to convince anybody without knowledge in the field is damn near impossible.

But we are human, and man does not act according to reason.

You could sterilize a dead cockroach in an autoclave, and then dip the germ-free roach into a glass of water.

Most people would then refuse the water.

[Age of Reason]

It's much, much cleaner than any water running through a river or stream.

According to today's science.

[ccmay]

He lives in a southern state which is kind of marginal territory for skiing.

Variable, yes; marginal, no. When the winter storms take a southerly course, the Snow Bowl gets buried because of its high altitude.

I have skied there several times when the base was 100 inches or more. A few times, after several consecutive southerly storms, they have had more snow than any place else in North America. I remember skiing there once in the 80's when the base was something like 156 inches, and they had to plow the chair lift cuts so the chairs wouldn't drag in the snow.

Their average annual snow fall is 266 inches, more than many other not-so-marginal areas like Sun Valley, Stowe, Aspen, Heavenly Valley, and Killington. Those places use snow making on Forest Service land, so why not the Snow Bowl, especially now that their survival is at stake after four consecutive years of drought? (Noisy Indian rabble rousers is why, actually.)

-ccm

[ccmay]

Dine (Originally named "Navajo" by the Spanish meaning THIEF) carry on their culture and traditdion to this day.

The Navajos have more in common with Eskimos than with the other tribes of Arizona. They are foreign invaders who got to Northern Arizona just fifty years before the Spaniards, after looting and pillaging their way down from Canada. They have been beastly to the Hopis, who have lived there since time beyond measure.

One of the measures of the man that Barry Goldwater was, is the way he helped defend the poorer and less numerous Hopi tribe against the rapacious Navajos, the largest tribe in the country.

-ccm

[S.O.S121.500]

Darn, can't tell you nothing....LOL.