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To: strela
My point is, that unlike the colonists, they didn't write the Declaration of Independence, adored the institution of slavery, and started the war with Mexico. Or didn't you read my post carefully enough?
51 posted on 03/19/2002 5:45:09 PM PST by Burr5
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To: Burr5
My point is, that unlike the colonists, they didn't write the Declaration of Independence, adored the institution of slavery, and started the war with Mexico.

The Texicans, who were actually invited to settle in what is now the state of Texas by the Mexican government, did indeed write and enact a Constitution in 1836. The fact that they didn't produce an exact photocopy of the Declaration of Independence is simply a red herring on your part.

Indeed, the Mexican government promised prospective settlers that they could "continue to enjoy that constitutional liberty and republican government to which they had been habituated in the land of their birth, the United States of America." However, upon overthrowing his own government, Santa Anna broke that and other promises. Among other outrages, Santa Anna imprisoned Texicans in an attempt to blackmail the others into accepting his edicts, conducted military drumhead trials of settlers on trumped-up charges, conducted punitive military operations (including piracy) against the settlers, and failed to ensure even the most basic human rights of the settlers.

Or didn't you read my post carefully enough?

I was desperately trying to figure out what point you were trying to make in your post. When trying to make a point, most people do so as early as they can in a specific article or speech. Here are the first two sentences of your previous post:

The hicks in the nacent Texan Republic were on Mexican soil. They refused to accept Mexican authority and started the war in 1835.

Sure looks to me like the main point you were making was that the mean ol' Texicans somehow done the government of Mexico wrong. Well, I've got news for you - people living under the thumb of a tyrant tend to do that, just like the denizens of the 13 Colonies did.

And, as for the slavery issue goes, I'd be interested in reading your explanation of just how the Texicans "adored" slavery? Last time I cracked a history book, about half of the United States at the time didn't have clean hands on the same issue. There was this little dustup called "The Civil War" that happened later - you might have heard of it?

59 posted on 03/19/2002 6:18:24 PM PST by strela
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To: Burr5
Are you from the NC 5th District?
71 posted on 03/19/2002 7:22:41 PM PST by doglot
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To: Burr5
You keep posting stuff like this, over and over:

Their great contribution to geopolitical history, apart from the fact that John Wayne was one of them, seems to have been an unremitting insistence on the perpetuation of slavery. Which Mexico didn't practice, BTW.

1. Cortes himself took slaves from the moment he landed in Mexico -- what's the matter with you, don't you read? He branded them, too, with the letter "c", for "captive". Just to mark them, mind you.

Later on, the Indians groaned under their native caciques and, under the encomienda system, the corregidores, in labor levies that were not chattel slavery but rather like the labor corvees of ancient Egypt. The difference won't have mattered much to Indians who died in the silver mines.

In 1835, Texas contained about 30,000 American and perhaps 4,000 Spanish colonists (colonists had stopped coming from Mexico and Spain before Moses Austin made his pitch to Governor Martinez -- it was the reason for suggesting American colonists -- and so the number of "Mexican" colonists in Texas was nil; they had all been Spanish, Irish, and Canary Islanders). Of the American population, perhaps 10% were black slaves. Moses Austin, a Connecticut Yankee, had brought a couple of slaves with him when he originally migrated to Spanish Missouri in 1796, to open a lead mine and smelter.

2. But if Opie wants to tell the true story of these Texans (i.e., that they weren't fighting for any particularly just cause, or that they weren't even Americans) cut him some slack. I always prefer real history to the John Wayne version.

He won't "tell the true story" by listening to people who've been poisoned by Texas-hating Hollywood moviemakers (Tombstone was a classic of hate propaganda) and Marxist-revisionist theories about the "real" history of Texas.

85 posted on 03/20/2002 12:29:38 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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