To: uncbob
SO TRUE!!! For example just try to remember all of Clinton's crimes in order and in detail. The average voter doesn't even try or want to remember these things. They are all too fat and happy right now.... sigh.....
3 posted on
03/16/2002 2:04:56 PM PST by
buffyt
To: buffyt
If government has a duty to lie, I nominate it for a decoration above and beyond the call of duty. I thought the basis of democracy was a well informed public. Dumb and dumber seems to be the order of the day with our education system and government propaganda. This country is headed for tyranny or revolution with its disinformation and progressive elimination of public discourse.
4 posted on
03/16/2002 2:19:40 PM PST by
meenie
To: buffyt
"just try to remember all of Clinton's crimes in order and in detail." OK. Let's see. Monica wanted to "get with" Bill. Bill let Monica perform oral sex on him several times, but always urged her to stop before he ejaculated. One time however, she begged him to let her continue, and she did and he left a semen residue on her blue dress. (Bad technique?) Meanwhile Clinton was being sued in a civil action for sexual harrassment. Note the difference between being sued in a civil action and being prosecuted for a crime. Paula Jones alleged that he exposed his genitals to her in a hotel room and asked her for oral sex. She refused and according to her account, he said "OK". At a pretrial deposition for the civil action, he was shown a lengthy definition of sexual contact written in legalese and asked if he had ever had sexual contact with Monica. He said "no", later claiming that the definition was worded so as to allow for assymetrical sexual contact -- ie, A has sexual contact with B, but B doesn't have sexual contact with A. To prove he committed a crime a prosecutor would have to prove, not only that he lied (and given the case law, that's harder than one might expect), but that the lie was material to the civil action. The standard here, remember is proof beyond reasonable doubt. I haven't heard much on why it would be material to the issues raised in the civil action, but maybe you can help out on that point. Interestingly, the civil action was dismissed before trial. Essentially the judge held that even if every allegation Paula Jones made were true, Clinton's conduct would not constitute sexual harrassment. (Is that right? In retrospect, I don't understand why Clinton's lawyer wasn't able to postpone his pre-trial deposition until that issue had been settled. There's no need for anyone to give a deposition if the facts alleged aren't actionable.) In any event, a Republican controlled House of Representatives charged Clinton on four counts. He was tried by the Senate. Republicans held a majority in the Senate but still acquitted him of all charges. No prosecutor has ever brought a case. I don't have a TV, so I feel like I missed a lot. So feel free to add in what I've missed. Make no mistake. I think Clinton is a Bad Man. And I think Bush is a Good Man. But Bush is the one with a record. And drunk driving is a serious offense.
To: buffyt
Isn't Tom Delay the guy who wanted to spend Billions on pork for his District and hold up the President's budget until he got it passed? Does the "average fat and happy" voter in your district remember that?
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