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To: Orblivion
It aint predestination thats elitist.

The Calvinist (and I count myself in that number) will proclaim that there was nothing to recommend himself to God, it was only through God's sovereign choice that I am any different than the unbeliever.

The free will position, on the other hand, ultimately must land on elitist grounds. When faced with the undeniable fact that many, indeed, perhaps the majority of people reject the Gospel and die unbelieving, the free will position must ultimately say that they were saved because of something they had -- either they were more intelligent, more spiritually attuned, or something. It is the Calvinist, who has an understanding of his own depravity, and how he was not at all able to respond to the Gospel but for God's initiating the work of regeneration, who ultimately not elitist.

15 posted on 03/16/2002 11:43:59 AM PST by jude24
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To: jude24
The free will position, on the other hand, ultimately must land on elitist grounds. When faced with the undeniable fact that many, indeed, perhaps the majority of people reject the Gospel and die unbelieving, the free will position must ultimately say that they were saved because of something they had -- either they were more intelligent, more spiritually attuned, or something. It is the Calvinist, who has an understanding of his own depravity, and how he was not at all able to respond to the Gospel but for God's initiating the work of regeneration, who ultimately not elitist.

I would point out Jude that all of us are responsible to choose Christ.The question goes to what is the first cause of that choice.They believe that they are just smarter and holier and more cleaver than the unsaved

18 posted on 03/16/2002 12:00:51 PM PST by RnMomof7
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