I currently own four firearms. An AR-15, Browning Hi-Pow 9mm, an old Winchester Oct. Barrel, and an 30.06 Rem.. I know them inside and out. They are locked up at home (except for my Hi-Power which is on my body right now). I got my first .22 rifle at the age of 8. I think I can say that I know enough to discuss this.
Anybody and everybody knows enough to discuss this,but that doesn't mean anybody and everybody has taken the time to think it through,OR had enough different experiences in life to understand that not everybody has the same living conditions.
Try this. This is because Rich was working in a group setting where he didn't have any reasonable expection of privacy or "private space",...
Wrong. He had every right to expect his office to be inviolate when he closed the door and walked away from it. He wasn't working in a open setting.And beyond that,he had the pistol hidden inside his briefcase where it was out of sight,and he had a reasonable right to assume out of reach to others.
I grew up with guns,
In that case you should know better.How many of YOUR guns were locked away out of sight and your reach while YOU were growing up? How many of your friends killed each other playing with guns that were never locked away?
And I'm not telling you how to live.
Yes,you are. That is EXACTLY what you are doing when you say you support these laws,since these laws would tell me how to live.
I'm just saying that if you don't control your weapons they will be taken from you and me.
My guns are under control. They are locked up inside my house,on my person,or locked in my truck.
Now, which would you rather have? Keep control of your weapons so that the nannys have no reason to take them from you
First off,this has nothing to do with actual safety,and everything to do with passing yet one more gun law that gives the cops the authority to arrest you so you have your gun rights taken away. In other words,they don't need a REASON to try to take the guns away from any of us,only the excuse. If it isn't this,it will be something else.
Secondly,NOBODY is going to take my guns. Period. That's my line in the sand.
NRA life member.
I'm a NRA Life Member,too. I first joined them around 1957,or 1959. I can't remember exactly. The NRA has done us more harm that Handgun Control ever dreamed of doing,including backing the passage of the "Gun Control Act of 1968".
Like I said, take control or loose your rights.
They may TAKE my rights from me,but I won't be losing OR surrendering them. I don't have any illegal weapons now,and if any of the weapons I do have are ever banned in the future,that's not my fault. I'm not hiding anything,I'm not denying I own anything,and I'm not giving anything up. If the authorities ever come to my house to confiscate any of my weapons,I will treat them the same as I would any other armed robber.
I was getting hostile there to. No reason to name call here or anywhere else for that matter. Sorry.
Anybody and everybody knows enough to discuss this,but that doesn't mean anybody and everybody has taken the time to think it through,OR had enough different experiences in life to understand that not everybody has the same living conditions.
O.K. I have thought it thru and still come to the same conclusion.
Wrong. He had every right to expect his office to be inviolate when he closed the door and walked away from it. He wasn't working in a open setting.And beyond that,he had the pistol hidden inside his briefcase where it was out of sight,and he had a reasonable right to assume out of reach to others.
This is where it gets sticky, at least to me. The guy knows there are kids running around his office. He knows he's got a gun that is easily accesible. He may have a right to expect privacy in his office but he knows that in reality his office is un-secure. He knows that his briefcase is vulnerable.
In that case you should know better.How many of YOUR guns were locked away out of sight and your reach while YOU were growing up? How many of your friends killed each other playing with guns that were never locked away?
My guns were always locked up when not in use. The only firearms that weren't locked up, out of sight, out of reach were the pistols. One, .45 on my father at all times, the other 9mm, unloaded and on top of the fridge. The ammo was in my moms purse.
Yes,you are. That is EXACTLY what you are doing when you say you support these laws,since these laws would tell me how to live.
I'm not supporting any law. I don't think the guy should be punnished. I just think that people should treat firearms with more respect than a screwdriver or jewlery.
My guns are under control. They are locked up inside my house,on my person,or locked in my truck.
Do you leave them in your office? Do you put them in a briefcase and leave them on a desk in an unlocked office with children running around? You obviously take more care with your weapons than Rich did. Rich could take a lesson from you and that is why he took responsibility. He left his weapon un-secure and the worst happened.
First off,this has nothing to do with actual safety,and everything to do with passing yet one more gun law that gives the cops the authority to arrest you so you have your gun rights taken away. In other words,they don't need a REASON to try to take the guns away from any of us,only the excuse. If it isn't this,it will be something else.
This is the current "hot" reason. You said it a coupla times. It's for the chilluns!!! And until they cannot use this reason it'll keep coming back.
Secondly,NOBODY is going to take my guns. Period. That's my line in the sand.
I'm with you. But there are lots of gun owners that would rather not fight for their rights. And every time one of them looses his/her rights, we loose some of our clout.
They may TAKE my rights from me,but I won't be losing OR surrendering them. I don't have any illegal weapons now,and if any of the weapons I do have are ever banned in the future,that's not my fault. I'm not hiding anything,I'm not denying I own anything,and I'm not giving anything up. If the authorities ever come to my house to confiscate any of my weapons,I will treat them the same as I would any other armed robber.
I hope it never comes to that. I really do.
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this. We are both headed in the same direction just by separate paths. I'll say again tho. I don't think there should be any laws concerning gun control or propper storage. They only serve to restrict our rights. But the more people are lax in their gun practices the more support the million mom march will have.
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