[Hajman]

It's problems lie elsewhere-- it's logic is just as good as the logic of your defense of the fetus' rights. It's logic was good enough to be a deciding issue in the law thru 400 years of witchburnings during the middle ages.

So if you're logic is bad, then that means our logic is bad? Uh, sure donh. At least we use a little logic in our arguments.

My point is that we should arrive at our laws through reasoning about things we understand fairly well and share fairly universally--they should not be derived from predicating them on inchoate feelings we might have the something may be taboo.

So you come up with arguments based on logic and not emotion, and come up with emotional arguments like So you think that a tramautized 13 year old should be forced to bear a fetus inside her body which is intimately connected with the most fearfully traumatic and personally invasive brutalization one could imagine? Thanks for the intermission laugh. :)

This is a bad idea with an terrible track record we have been trying to shake for 2000+ years.

And apparently some people that use tramautized little girls still haven't shaken it. But hey, it's for the children.

-The Hajman-

[donh]

So if you're logic is bad, then that means our logic is bad? Uh, sure donh. At least we use a little logic in our arguments.

Really? So it should be but a matter of a moment's notice to show me an example of a major and minor predicate, and the conclusion therefrom derived. Like biology, logic is largely irrelevant to most moral arguments, it is largely a creature of formal mathematical reasoning, and sees little use outside of circuit design and programming. To the extent that they do at all, people reason in chains of supporting evidence.