"I believe men came up with those things and I happen to agree with them"Then you would say that those who defy such "things" are not actually "wrong" or "evil", but merely in disagreement with you. If men made it up, other men should be free to ignore it. Someone else might believe that lying is good, rape is virtuous, and stealing is honest?
I'm curious about your view here ... is anything wrong or evil, or is it really up to us to toss a coin and decide? If you come to the conclusion that there are absolutes, where did they come from, and how did we find them?
Look, you're wanting to paint me with the moral-relativist brush just because I don't believe one requires a divine mandate to figure out that rape or murder is wrong.
What makes civilization civilized? It would be in large part the organization of government and the application of laws (any good Freeper should know this). So essesntially, a majority of people decide that a certain thing is wrong and punishible and give the government power to enforce. There are plenty of people who defy such "things" and they are prosecuted and punished.
"Someone else might believe that lying is good, rape is virtuous, and stealing is honest?"
Hey, look around man. There are plenty of people like that. They're called criminals.