[Pokey78]

God bless all the chicks with guns. They are part of what makes America great!

[GeronL]

Second Amendment Sisters

Does the NY TIMES know that SAS is a FReeper group?? It was started right here on this website!!

[glc1173@aol.com]

" A generation ago, women here at Mount Holyoke College defied convention by burning bras and moving in with boyfriends. These days, some women here are shocking the campus by embracing something even more dangerous than men — guns." (New York Times)

Reality isn't anything in the politically-correct New York Times editorial department.

Reality is that "feminism" on campus - while seen by NOW's elites who haven't been college students in three decades as being about things like whether the college spends as much on women's sports as on football - is seen by the huge number of today's young college women as the right to not get raped.

And what scares the Left more than anything is that the elites of NOW are - literally - dying out, aging rapidly toward the nursing home and the grave without having convinced their daughters' generation of their leftist agenda.

GUN REVIEWS free from ad-money bias - with emphasis on woman-friendliness of tested guns!

[meadsjn]

It is amazing how liberals can gather enough facts about a subject to fill an article this size, and then immediately draw conclusions which are completely contradicted by the same.

[Dan from Michigan]

So, as a country hick, I'm comfortable with guns. But there's abundant evidence that having more handguns also means more gun thefts, more armed robbery, more suicide and more murder.

Nick, you sure as hell don't have country values. You lost it all when you went to the city. Also, That statement is a baled faced lie, and anyone that looks at the FBI Crime data knows. DC, Chicago, etc vs Livingston County Michigan.

BTW Nick, you are the biggest f'ing problem in this country. That's right, YOU. I'm not talking about the media. ASSuming you don't have a problem with rifles, you think us damn handgunners are the problem. "If they didn't fight for handguns, dem politicians won't be able our rifles..." If we don't stand together, we hang seperately.

I can respect a die hard ASD'er(although they are the enemy) that says flat out that he wants a ban. There is no question where Dianne Feinstein, Major Owens, Joe Biden, and John Lewis stand. They want a ban. They said so. Josh Sugarmann. Same thing.

I however have extreme distain and no respect for the biggest problem of all. These arrogant jerks like Nick that say they support guns, but not these types. They are arrogant and ignorant. They are the cause, and are SOLELY TO BLAME for ALL The anti self defense legislation out there.

Unlike you Nick, I give a damn about your guns, even if you don't care about mine.

[Eugene Tackleberry]

...targets with holes from .22, .38 and even machine gun bullets

Can't have a NY Times article about guns without throwing in a gratuitous comment about MACHINE GUNS!!! How can one distingish between a non-machine gun bullet hole and a machine gun bullet hole?

[El Gato]

we can be quite confident that plenty of us will be killed by these additional handguns.

Too these people, one death is as good as another as a lever to take away arms rights. (TRY to take away I should say!). It never occurs to them that most of those killed by these "Chicks with guns" will be rapists, muggers, physically abusive boyfriends and husbands. Just the thought of "Chicks with guns" will cool the jets of most of that sort of low life scum, making actually killing them unneccessary.

Of course these are the same folks who predicted and continue to predict that each state that passes a shall issue concealed handgun license system will turn into dodge city with blood running down the street. (In a way they are right, Dodge City was a good place to get some sleep :) ) And each time nothing of the sort has happened, and as we all know, instead crime has gone down.

As is often written: If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson and spoons made Rosie O fat.

[Eugene Tackleberry]

But there's abundant evidence that having more handguns also means more gun thefts, more armed robbery, more suicide and more murder.

DEAD WRONG. Someone should send this "reporter" a copy of Lott's book.

[bloodmeridian]

But it is pointless to try to deny the link between more handguns and increased murder and suicide

But it is pointless to try to deny the link between pompous New York Times writers and the amount of moss behind their ears.

[upchuck]

Japan, where I used to live, allows only about 50 people (all leading target shooters) to own handguns, and while criminals do smuggle them in, there were only 28 gun deaths (murders and suicides combined) in 1999, the most recent year for which figures are available. By contrast, the United States had 26,800 gun deaths in 2000.

Pardon me, Ms., but could you express those figures in some measure that makes sense, like gun deaths per 1000 people maybe?

And I guess you realize your statement just reinforces what we've known for years... "When you ban guns, only criminals will have guns."

[He Rides A White Horse]

Shouldn't self-defense and being able to take care of yourself be part of empowerment?" Ms. Claywood asked sweetly.

Okay, so rapist, murderers, and NOW type liberals don't like women with guns.

Okay, got it.

[luvzhottea]

Poor NY TIMES it's anti-gun agenda is stalled...
2nd Amendment Rights:
Attacks on American Muslims Reaffirm Wisdom of 2nd Amendment

Gun Owners of America

Women Against Gun Control

The Firearms Coalition NEAL KNOX

[Standing Wolf]

People who keep and bear arms in defense against criminals, tyrants, and terrorist savages are safer than those who refuse to accept responsibility for themselves. Is it any wonder leftists the world over seek to disarm the common people?

[mykdsmom]

MKM

[Redcloak]

You do have to give the NY Times credit for one thing here: They correctly placed this in the Opinion secion. The LA Times would have stuck this in as regular news.

[mykdsmom]

Or perhaps this:

MKM

[Britton J Wingfield]

we can be quite confident that plenty of us will be killed by these additional handguns

As long as they kill the right ones...

[basil]

We SASTERS are very proud of Christie at Mt Holyoke. She has done a tremendous job in organizing our first college chapter, which we hope to repeat across the country.

I almost feel sorry for this poor guy who drew the assignment to write this piece. He obvioulsy doesn't have a clue.

[PropheticZero]

England has higher rates of assault, vehicle theft and burglary than the United States. But tight controls on handguns mean that England's murder rate is only one-sixth of America's.

Estimated Population of England = 59,647,790
Estimated Population of United States = 278,058,881

Population of England
--------------------------- = 0.2145
Population of United States

(July 2001 est.) http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

1
--- = 0.167
6

Man that crap annoys me. Handgun Control Inc pulled that crap with austrailia and the us some time ago. Not to mention how many of those murders in the US justifiable homicides in cases of defending ones life, and how many are just plain murders in england.

Japan, where I used to live, allows only about 50 people (all leading target shooters) to own handguns, and while criminals do smuggle them in, there were only 28 gun deaths (murders and suicides combined) in 1999, the most recent year for which figures are available. By contrast, the United States had 26,800 gun deaths in 2000.

Who here can say with a straight face that the Prison and Judicial system is any way a reflection of the weekend getaway/revolving door/cable tv/namebrand peanut butter/prison judicial system we have here in the United States? Anyone?

Criminals who fear punishment, fear being criminals.

Brian

[Bella_Bru]

Chicks with guns are beautiful creatures. Just ask anyone who has been to ATF night in Culver City and met some of the Liberty Belles!

[SteveH]

This is a triple insult to women on campus. The article heavily stresses the emotional ("pleasure", "embrace", "yearning", etc.) reasons why the students would own guns, in contrast to the more immediate and rational reasons, such as protection from rapists and attackers while walking across campus at night. It also portrays the students, and the population in general, as following a post-9/11 anti-terror fad for guns, again in contrast to more rational grounds. Finally, it implies that the students will eventually become dangerous simply from the ownership of guns, which is alleged to lead to more net deaths and injuries.

So, as a country hick, I'm comfortable with guns.

I truly doubt this, if the guy doesn't make an effort even to read the best arguments of the opposing point of view, such as Lott, Cramer, or Halbrook, and does not even bother to pay lip service to the Second Amendment (gee, one would think with a name like "Second Amendment Sisters", the Bill of Rights would deserve at least an honorable mention... ah, but this is a NYT editorial, and we would not want to burden the reader with irrelevant references to obsolete documents...)

I almost feel sorry for this poor guy who drew the assignment to write this piece. He obvioulsy doesn't have a clue.

I envision the NYT editorial staff scrambling to try to find someone among themselves with that combination of denseness and temerity (perhaps the token rural male, though long since domesticated and converted to political correctness, among them) to write such an article. After all, it's a lot easier to denigrate redneck hicks from some rust-belt trailer park. This guy is probably kept in reserve to trot out when the editorial page going gets tough on RKBA and other issues that are particularly popular in rural areas... I hope it gets tougher as these "chicks" graduate and get into the job market, perhaps even the journalism job market. Real terror to this guy would probably be that he is laid off while male and (gasp) female journalism graduates of the RKBA persuasion move in and take over the reins in editorial rooms across the country from mentally ossified '60s extreme left radicals-turned-journalists and their limousine-liberal enablers.

As for the statistics, if the writer is not willing to acknowledge why Vermont with its lax gun control restrictions has one of the lowest crime rates of any state (e.g. 110 versus 750 nationwide violent crimes per 100,000 per year, 1992), then his/her argument is not worth the time it takes to read.