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To: Middle Man

preparing dummy returns, seizing private property without due process and committing mail fraud with bootleg notices --

Preparing "dummy" return? Congressamandates the preparation of returns in providing documentation of the IRS's estimate of your income/tax owed as part of the administative procedure to assess a tax when no return is filed by a citizen.

seizing private property without due process?

What you may believe to be due process or not is not the controlling factor,

Refer, Subchapter D Part I. & Part II, there lay the rules for Due Process & Levy in regards to tax collection according to your favorite Congress, enacted under the authority of the Constitution for the United States of America, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1 and Article I Section 8 Clause 18. And in accord with

295 U.S. 247 (1935)

United States Codes

So please provide us with some specific instances with real documentation.

That does not mean however that IRS agents do not screw up. They do and frequently, that is not however due to lack of due process under the tax law, or lack in the statutes defining such. In those instances of agent abuse there are procedures for redress, and civil suit that can be successful when the evidence actually supports the claims.

committing mail fraud with bootleg notices --

That's a real stretch when notices are standardised fill in the blank forms whose content is specified by law.

How about some specifics, as most complaints I have heard that had substance to them resulted in agents getting hit by the courts criminally where warranted, and civilly when supported by preponderence of the evidence.

Others that I have seen, more often than not, are pure sour grapes of someone who got tromped on because they refused to follow the due process laid out or the steps they should have take, and are clearly stated in all those notices.

You expect more than that maybe?

If you don't like the income/payroll tax system then you should be working through support of legislation to end it. Trying to ignore it or pretend the law is not valid is just another way to self destruction rather than doing anything constructive about it.

123 posted on 03/15/2002 10:24:45 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: ancient_geezer
Let's try to stay on point old man.

Now I will admit that I erred in asking you where is paragraph (a) In a notice of intent to levy.

I should have been asking you to explain where paragraph (a) is in the Form 8519, Notice of Levy

Now you know this but those unititated to the fraud may not....

Paragraph (a) is conveniently left out of the Notice of Levy because it ties the hands of the fraudmeisters.

Now if you would like to rebut that one simple point please do so by all means. I don't want to see any more of your cut and paste crap. Simply explain, from your point of view, why the fraudmeisters leave paragraph (a) out. (but put in paragraphs (b) and (c) of the IRS Code.

125 posted on 03/15/2002 11:57:01 AM PST by one2many
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