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To: wcbtinman
This was work of a pro: he was able to shoot people in the head 300yd away. At least the first three killed were that far away - all shut in the head. It was an apparently very well calculated ambush. The soldiers were disoriented and did not know were it was coming from. And they were fed to him one by one for almost 40 min. The reporter from CNBC (forgot his name) said that it was an old WWII rifle. While reporting he could barely hide his smile of satisfaction. Couple hours later I saw him running with the a-rab scum hiding from the rubber bullets. I know rifles. I served in the army. 300yd in the head, even downslope, with the sun behind: you have got to be a darn GOOD sniper with a darn GOOD optics and a powerful rifle. Neither the Mauser, nor Enfield, nor Mosin can achieve a thing like this. That must have been a 7mm or something better. That moron from CNBC is a rotten pease of sh. and is not telling the truth.
124 posted on 03/03/2002 6:59:27 PM PST by Brusensky
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To: Brusensky
This cat is a world-class marksman. Optics or not, a 300-yard shot in the head is not easy.
131 posted on 03/03/2002 7:12:00 PM PST by rdb3
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To: Brusensky
Average sniper is quite effective in the 600 meter range. Good snipers to 800 and the stars out to 1000+. So 300 is probably easy shooting for a marksman let alone a sniper.

from http://www.vpc.org/studies/sniper.htm "The longest confirmed sniper kill of the Gulf War was reported to have been made by a Barrett Model 82A1 sniper rifle at a range of 1,800 meters—nearly 2,000 yards, or almost 10 times a deer hunter's maximum effective range. Numerous engagements with large, 50 caliber guns during the war took place at 1,600 meters (about 1,750 yards). From the West Front of the U.S. Capitol, this range would allow accurate firing as far as the Smithsonian Metro station on the Mall. "

192 posted on 03/04/2002 3:44:29 AM PST by anapikoros
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To: Brusensky
I agree with your assesment. As an aside, I've got 2 "store bought" rifles in .308 that are this capable. The problem is with the shooter and the lack of time to practice, practice, practise. I've also got an old Russian M44 with a hundred dollar scope and a modern stock that will shoot almost this good.
200 posted on 03/04/2002 6:31:54 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: Brusensky;dennisw
The Myth of the Lone Sniper

DEBKAfile Special Military Analysis

4 March: The lone Palestinian sniper who, with 25 bullets from his old-fashioned carbine rifle, was able to kill 7 well-armed Israeli soldiers and 3 civilians - and wound another 4 - is the stuff of legend. Sprung on Israel national radio by its military correspondent, Carmela Menashe, on Sunday, March 3, the story has circulated over local and international media as a statement of fact. Circumstantial details piled drama onto the bloodbath perpetrated early Sunday at the Ofra roadblock. An unnamed soldier accused his superior officers of abandoning the roadblock unit to its fate; another said they had been sitting ducks.

In any case, the roadblock system, set up to impede the passage of terrorists from Palestinian-ruled areas to Israeli territory, is under urgent review. However, in the case of the Ofra roadblock, all the evidence gathered by DEBKAfile’s military sources refutes the tale put out by Israeli radio. Our military experts also challenge it as implausible.

Positioned between two hills near a disused British police post, north of Ramallah, the Ofra roadblock commands a key intersection on the Nablus-Jerusalem, Hebron-Jerusalem highways.

Our investigations show that before light Sunday morning, March 3, not one but three Palestinian gunmen took up positions on the hills enclosing the roadblock on both sides.

One, armed with an M-14 carbine, was positioned on the southeastern hill. This rifle may be dated, but many an expert marksman praises its precision and stability. The other two Palestinian gunmen stood on the opposite northwestern hill, armed with an M-16 assault rifle and a PK 500 General Purpose Machine Gun (comparable to a 7.62mm FN MAG).

The panel of inquiry will not doubt ask why no roadblock sentries were placed on the hilltops. That does not alter the sequence of events, as we have reconstructed them. The first shots against the roadblock were fired by the marksman armed with the M-14 before 0700 IT Sunday morning. He hit three Israeli soldiers. The two Palestinians on the opposite hill then opened heavy assault and machine gun fire on the falling men to make sure none survived. The rest of the unit, woken up in its temporary quarters by the gunfire, ran out half-dressed and shooting. As they approached the roadblock, four were caught in the crossfire from the two hills.

Reports that the roadblock unit was confused by echoes of gunshots coming from different directs were drummed up to substantiate the sniper tale. There were no echoes. The sounds of gunfire coming from different directions were real.

DEBKAfile built up this picture with the help of witnesses on the spot. At that hour of the morning, at least three cars were lined up at the roadblock waiting to go through and there were plenty of travelers on foot. Furthermore, identifiable cartridges from the different weapons used were collected from three different firing positions on the high ground surrounding the roadblock. Finally, experienced paramedics on the scene identified diverse entry and exit wounds, likewise attesting to bullets from a variety of weapons.

Finally, Palestinian spokesmen confirmed that three gunmen had ambushed the roadblock.

The military experts DEBKAfile consultedstrongly doubt any sniper’s ability to achieve 14 direct hits with 25 M-14 bullets, however proficient. In any case, only Batman or Steve Austin could have flown overhead between two hills. That said, why is the Israeli media so intent on the lone sniper theory?

The answer to this has more to do with Israel’s endemic political infighting than the facts of the case. The rationale behind the tale “leaked” to the radio correspondent appears to be that if a single sniper with an outdated carbine can effect a massacre at a well-armed roadblock, there is something badly amiss with the way the chief of staff, lt. Gen. Shaul Mofaz, and the general tipped to succeed him, deputy chief of staff, Maj.-Gen. Moshe Yaalon, are running war operations. It also shows up the Sharon government’s strategic thinking in a poor light. In the immediate term, the source of the leak may also have hoped to influence the government in its final choice of the next chief of staff, whose announcement is due in less than a week.

211 posted on 03/04/2002 12:32:56 PM PST by anapikoros
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