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Sniper Kills 10 More Israelis
Las Vegas Sun ^ | 3 March, 2001

Posted on 03/03/2002 3:24:51 PM PST by Jhoffa_

Sniper Kills 10 More Israelis


JERUSALEM- Taking aim from a hilltop, a sniper killed 10 soldiers and civilians at a checkpoint Sunday in the deadliest of a two-day string of Palestinian attacks that killed 21 Israelis.

Israel sent tanks and helicopters on retaliatory raids that hit several Palestinian Authority security targets, killing four Palestinian policemen, while Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his Cabinet weighed additional military action.

Following the weekend bloodletting, Sharon huddled with senior government ministers and security officials and his office issued a statement just before midnight saying that the inner security Cabinet had approved military plans for ongoing attacks on Palestinian targets.

"Ministers approved an operational program presented by the army to apply constant military pressure on the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian terror organizations," the statement said. "Its object is to halt Palestinian terror." It gave no further details.

Recent days have seen some of the worst carnage in months, and bitter comments by both sides pointed to further confrontations.

"There is no alternative but to put an end to (Palestinian leader Yasser) Arafat's rule," Israeli Cabinet Minister Dan Naveh said in remarks that are expressed with increasing frequency in Israel.

Speaking during an official visit to Mexico, Israeli President Moshe Katsav also denounced Arafat and called on Palestinians to question his leadership.

"The Palestinian people should ask which achievement their president brought to them in the last 18 months," Katsav said in Mexico City. "He must, he should do something to stop the violence."

The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a militia linked to Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility for three of the four lethal attacks carried out in a 12-hour period from Saturday night to Sunday morning, including the checkpoint shooting.

Militants had vowed to strike after Israeli forces pushed into two Palestinian refugee camps in the West Bank last Thursday in search of militants believed responsible for earlier violence. During the incursions, 23 Palestinians were killed in three days, including gunmen, policemen and civilians.

"The Palestinian leadership considers the recent Israeli escalation ... to be aimed at destroying peace and security in the whole region," the Palestinian Authority said in a statement.

The Sunday morning shooting occurred at the military roadblock near the Palestinian village of Silwad. The army described it as an ambush carried out by a single sniper.

The gunman had a clear view from a hill overlooking the checkpoint. After the first Israeli was struck by gunfire, soldiers began climbing the steep hill toward the gunman and more were hit, witnesses said.

An army helicopter soon reached the area, but the assailant had escaped, said Hezi Tsur, a paramedic at the scene.

The dead included seven soldiers and three civilians. Six people were injured, the army and rescue services said.

The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades circulated a leaflet saying the shooting was in response to Israeli army actions in the two refugee camps.

In the Gaza Strip, Palestinian gunmen opened fire on a group of soldiers early Sunday along a road that runs on the Israeli side of the fence between the Gaza Strip and southern Israel.

One soldier was killed and four soldiers were wounded, the army said. The military wing of the radical group Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for that attack in a telephone call to The Associated Press.

The pair of Sunday morning attacks followed a suicide bombing by a member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades Saturday night in a crowded ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighborhood of Jerusalem. The bombing killed nine Israelis and wounded dozens.

The dead included two babies, one seven months and the other 18 months, and children ages 3, 7, 12 and 15.

"I searched the streets like a mad person, street by street - it was crowded with people and I just screamed and screamed," said Aviva Nachmani, who eventually found her three children unharmed.

The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades also said it shot dead an Israeli police detective riding a motorcycle Saturday night along a desert trail in the West Bank, near Jerusalem.

Israel says Arafat bears responsibility for the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and could halt their attacks if he was serious about ending the Palestinian violence.

Palestinian leaders denounced the suicide bombing and again said they oppose violence against civilians. But they say they cannot tell Palestinians to put down their weapons at a time when the Israeli military is regularly operating in Palestinian areas.

In retaliatory action Sunday, Israeli tanks shelled a Palestinian intelligence office south of Nablus, and the Palestinians said a policemen was killed.

Palestinians also reported a policeman killed when Israeli forces shelled a police installation outside Ramallah in the West Bank.

Two more policemen died when Israeli troops fired on a police post in the West Bank town of Qalqiliya, the Palestinians said.

Meanwhile, the Israeli forces on Sunday pulled out of the Balata refugee camp on the edge of Nablus, where troops had searched for militants and weapons since Thursday.

In the Jenin refugee camp, about 20 miles away, the Israeli forces pulled out Saturday, but sent at least eight tanks back into the camp on Sunday afternoon, camp residents said.


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To: rdb3
Unresponsive.

talking to you is like talking to a wall...

Why'd you call me out of my name?

It is a simple concept...God does not favor one people over another...regardless of what a book written 400(AD)or so years after the fact says...if you believe it I will call it faith, if I look at it with an open mind you call me a Nazi....sheeeee

221 posted on 03/05/2002 7:35:43 PM PST by alphadog
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To: Aquamarine
I have one question for you. Who is your God? Allah?

not hardly...they are late comers to religion.

222 posted on 03/05/2002 7:39:19 PM PST by alphadog
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To: alphadog
if I look at it with an open mind you call me a Nazi....sheeeee

Why are you bearing false witness? Where did I call you a "Nazi?"

And why won't you respond to the question of the god you serve?

223 posted on 03/05/2002 7:41:44 PM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
I said "if I look at it with an open mind you call me a Nazi....sheeeee"

You said "Why are you bearing false witness? Where did I call you a "Nazi?"(OK maybe that is a little strong)

You implied I hated Jews because I maintain God cannot and would not favor one people over another

224 posted on 03/06/2002 8:56:13 AM PST by alphadog
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To: alphadog
You implied I hated Jews because I maintain God cannot and would not favor one people over another.

I'm implying absolutely nothing.

You say that God "cannot" favor one people over another. Okay, fine. But you have yet to state what you base this claim on. That's the question. Will you answer it?

225 posted on 03/06/2002 9:00:55 AM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
You said "Don't like that about the Jews, eh?"

You state unproven "facts"... talk about false witness!...

226 posted on 03/06/2002 9:19:01 AM PST by alphadog
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To: alphadog
You state unproven "facts"... talk about false witness!...

Not quite. See that little squiggly line with the little dot under it? <- Just like that one? <- There's another!

That's a 'question mark.' I asked a question as opposed to making a declarative sentence. I asked a question. To wit, you've never answered that question either.

Now, will you please answer what you base your claim on that God does not favor one people over another? Simple question. That's all I ask.

Thank you.

227 posted on 03/06/2002 9:26:45 AM PST by rdb3
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To: alphadog
OK maybe that is a little strong.

Little strong my backside! You were caught in an outright lie! I was just being diplomatic about it.

Your credibility is sinking. . .

228 posted on 03/06/2002 9:36:49 AM PST by rdb3
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To: wcbtinman; Dog Gone
More than one. Sounds like two or three at least, well concealed, managed to escape detection.
229 posted on 03/06/2002 9:41:21 AM PST by semaj
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To: rdb3
That's a 'question mark.' I asked a question as opposed to making a declarative sentence. I asked a question. To wit, you've never answered that question either.

For all intents and purposes, you attacked me, suggesting I was anti-Semetic WHY because I cannot believe God would favor one people over another...and you think you can CYA with a question mark?

OK fair enough.. Are you a "Chosen People" NAZI?

230 posted on 03/06/2002 6:49:34 PM PST by alphadog
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To: rdb3
you are off topic...go away.
231 posted on 03/06/2002 6:50:53 PM PST by alphadog
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To: Jhoffa_
Tactical nukes, FAEs, and bouncing betties all commend themselves to such situations.

--Boris

232 posted on 03/06/2002 7:30:57 PM PST by boris
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To: boris
Would agree that the reason for this is a total and complete lack of options?
233 posted on 03/06/2002 7:34:12 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
"Would agree that the reason for this is a total and complete lack of options?"

No, these are options.

--Boris

234 posted on 03/06/2002 7:40:48 PM PST by boris
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To: alphadog
Am I of the Chosen People as perscribed in the Old Testament? No, I'm not of the House of Israel.

Am I a Nazi? Well, the National Socialist Party promoted Aryan supremacy. Since I'm black, no, I'm not a member of the National Socialist Party.

Still haven't answered what you base your claims on, I see.

Lastly, there was no "CYA." I just pointed that out to you as something that you didn't answer, for it was a valid question after all.

Will you answer the question of what do you base your claim that God does not have a favorite people?

235 posted on 03/06/2002 7:49:13 PM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Will you answer the question of what do you base your claim that God does not have a favorite people?

I can think, and I can tell an agenda when I read it...open your closed mind...you are off topic, and I will not reply....

236 posted on 03/07/2002 8:56:49 AM PST by alphadog
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To: alphadog; Aquamarine
I can think, and I can tell an agenda when I read it...open your closed mind...you are off topic, and I will not reply....

Okay. Don't reply.

Aquamarine, you see this? He won't reply! I think he's said more from not replying than he ever could if he would have just answered the one simple question.

Is he paranoid, perhaps?

I've never seen anyone ashamed of their faith, have you? I guess he is, since he won't tell us what it is.

237 posted on 03/07/2002 9:18:01 AM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3, alphadog
Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

alphadog...Bill O'Reilly got it wrong. We are not saved by good works but by faith.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

God has a plan and it is more complicated than we know. To the common person riches is gold and silver. But if you read further in the Bible the next verses reveal what riches are.

Col 1:26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

I apologize for chopping the scripture up, but if you continue reading Romans the mystery continues to unfold.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.

Amen.

238 posted on 03/07/2002 1:50:59 PM PST by Aquamarine
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To: Aquamarine
And again, Amen. But the alphadog never said he was a Christian, did he? Maybe then our Bible doesn't apply to him (at least in his mind).
239 posted on 03/07/2002 2:25:43 PM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3,alphadog
Maybe not, but as a Gentile at sometime in my life I have also struggled with understanding God having "chosen people" until someone directed me to the scriptures that I just quoted above and other Bible scriptures. I think that alphadog means well but still has room to grow.
240 posted on 03/07/2002 6:56:05 PM PST by Aquamarine
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