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the researchers determined that about 35 percent of the accumulated changes were "good."

"The proportion is shockingly high," said Wu, "for someone like myself who grew up in the neutralist era." It means one advantageous substitution has entered the human genome every two centuries since humans separated from monkeys 30 million years ago.

Doesn't this set off any alarm bells for my evolutionary friends? What advantagoues substitutions can be documented as occuring throughout the entire human genome within human history? Didn't "Ice Man" in the Apls and the "Cheddar Man" in England have the same genes as people living in those areas do today?

So you have an "incrediabley high rate" of good mutations separating us from monkies, but almost no change from the earlylist humna DNA that can be found. Also, it is well documented that humans have a remarkable low level of genetic diversity. Two chimps living on the same mountain in Africa can have more genetic diversity than any two people on Earth.

All of that evidence just does not fit with the results of this study- if man evolved from a non-human ancestor. OTOH, if you believe that man was a relatively recent special creation of God then it would be the result that you would expect. A low diversity in the human group, yet a large number of good gene differences from monkies. Far too many good differnces to have accumulated by chance or any other documented evolutiuonary mechanism. The number is especially TOO LARGE when one considers how similiar we are with ancient DNA from bronze age humans. We have not changes harldy a bit in 5K years, but changes must occur rapidly to allow for our differneces with monkies! Special Creation eliminates the contradiction, for only the assumption that we evolved from a common ancestor with monkies produces the contradiction.

10 posted on 02/27/2002 3:01:45 PM PST by Ahban
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I apologize for failing to proof read my previous before posting. The grammer and spelling are pathetic. I hope my fellow Freepers can wade past all that to seize the crux of my point.
11 posted on 02/27/2002 3:04:40 PM PST by Ahban
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Doesn't this set off any alarm bells for my evolutionary friends? What advantagoues substitutions can be documented as occuring throughout the entire human genome within human history? Didn't "Ice Man" in the Apls and the "Cheddar Man" in England have the same genes as people living in those areas do today?

The article states a rate of gene change in humans at 1 adventagious substitution every 2 centuries. Considering the number of human genes, and the difficulting in completly mapping the entire human genome, an "Ice Man" would have so few differences that I'd be surprized if any were detected.

I see no inconsistency between this article and evidence previously found.

13 posted on 02/27/2002 3:13:59 PM PST by narby
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Two chimps living on the same mountain in Africa can have more genetic diversity than any two people on Earth.

Chimps have been where they are in their little local groups about 4 or 5 million years. They even have a subspecies--the bonobos. Humans show "founder effect," the genetic bottleneck of descent from a small group's radiative migration from East Africa perhaps 200k years ago.

You have cited evidence for an already commonly held idea.

15 posted on 02/27/2002 3:16:25 PM PST by VadeRetro
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Doesn't this set off any alarm bells for my evolutionary friends? What advantagoues substitutions can be documented as occuring throughout the entire human genome within human history? Didn't "Ice Man" in the Apls and the "Cheddar Man" in England have the same genes as people living in those areas do today?

It doesn't set off alarms because Ice-Man, or "Otzi," is about 5300 years old. By Dr. Wu's reckoning, that's 25 or 30 advantageous mutations, well within normal variation in human genomes. "Cheddar Man" isn't even that old.

How many mutations does Dr. Wu count since the line leading to monkeys and humans bifurcated?

16 posted on 02/27/2002 3:20:09 PM PST by OBAFGKM
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