While there are various "proof texts" that, taken out of context, appear to be contradictory to the Calvinist hermenuetic it is our contention that you cannot lift these verses out of both their immediate and overall contexts and use them to disprove our position. We believe that the entire message of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, supports our understanding that the salvation of sinful men only occurs as a result of the providential application of God's grace.
That is the nature of the discussion on these threads, yet we understand why there is opposition to our position. That opposition, if viewed correctly, arises from the desire of men to have control over something that is totally outside of their realm of authority.