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To: OWK
Ok one more time. This country was built on Judao-Christian principles. I know I have said this many times. (Once on this thread.) For particulars consult with the Bible.
62 posted on 02/25/2002 12:33:08 PM PST by Khepera
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To: Khepera
I'm sorry, but that does absolutely nothing to answer my question.

I asked what principle(s) conservatives use to determine which actions of state are just, and which are not.

Clearly just asserting "Judeo-Christian principles" as an answer is woefully inadequate.

For example, Judeo-Christian principles" prohibit the worship of any God other than the God of Abraham. And Jewish principles prohibit the consumption of certain food products. And Old Testament Jewish law prohibits cutting your beard, or having your wife in the house during the menses.

Are you suggesting that the United States should outlaw bacon, ham, and freedom of religion?

If not, then I think you need to do a bit more thinking about this.

63 posted on 02/25/2002 12:39:25 PM PST by OWK
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To: Khepera; OWK
The trouble with you two is that you know each other so well. You start any conversation with the baggage from previous conversations to the point where it's rarely valuable for you to engage any more.

Khepera (and I) believe that the national morality - i.e. the way in which we define what is right and wrong - is foundationally Judeo-Christian. That doesn't mean you have to become a Jew or a Christian to be an American. It does mean that if we as a culture change that foundation then this nation will cease to exist. That has just as much to do with sexuality as the foundation for law and government. He may not restate that on each post, but he has stated that often enough that OWK should know it.

OWK (as far as I can tell) wants to pretend he is starting over each time on each new thread so that it will look like he is simply engaging the discussion rather than trying to set Khepera up. But neither one changes his viewpoint, so pretending the past hasn't happened is not fruitful.

It would be far easier to read both of you guys if you would simply admit your prejudices up front. You can do that in a way that is not insulting and then get on with it.

That's just my $.02, anyway.

Just out of curiosity, does either of you look the other up and follow the other around, or do you just like posts on the same subject? Be honest, now.

Shalom.

64 posted on 02/25/2002 12:42:34 PM PST by ArGee
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To: Khepera
You are wrong...Most of the founders were deists, not Christians.
A strong belief in God, not Christianity.

It is the godless Constitution, which calls on no higher power than "We the People", that is the necessary and sufficient legal basis to form the social contract that was to create the American system of government. English Common Law had a lot of influnce also.

"As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion..." is a quote from the Treaty with Tripoli...words written by no less than George Washington in his second term and passed without fanfare during the first term of John Adams.

69 posted on 02/25/2002 12:58:57 PM PST by KDD
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To: Khepera
This country was built on FREEDOM.
85 posted on 02/25/2002 2:32:00 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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