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Focus on the Family Liquor Cabinet
Razormouth: cutting-edge Christianity ^ | Friday, February 22, 2002 | Jamey Bennett

Posted on 02/24/2002 3:48:41 AM PST by TomSmedley

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To: SamAdams76
Sam,

Reread my original post, then your reply, then my reply to you. I think you misunderstood me just then.

21 posted on 02/24/2002 5:49:39 AM PST by Fifth Business
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To: Temple Owl
It is obvious that you have never swilled Iron City.

I read somewhere that Iron City might be going out of business. On a related note, I was recently in Richmond and the restaurant had Yuengling on tap. I didn't realize that beer had spread so much.

22 posted on 02/24/2002 5:51:16 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: TomSmedley
Hard Liquor is almost always sold in Liquor stores. Beer on the otherhand is sold in everything from gas stations to supermarkets. Beer is so common that its far more likely that kids will buy it at someplace like a deli then hard booze at a liquor store.
23 posted on 02/24/2002 5:51:35 AM PST by Libertarian_4_eva
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To: Mopp4
Alchohol produces stupid behavior (and worse) only when consumed excessively. It can also ruin your liver when consumed excessively. Yet taken in moderation, alchohol (ideally in the form of beer or red wine) actually had proven health benefits such as reduced cholesterol, improved circulation, reduced stress, among other things. That is why it is so important to teach moderation as opposed to abstinence.

To me, those arguing in favor of Prohibition are no better than those arguing for gun control. Proponents of gun control always point towards tragedies involving children to make their case that guns should be taken from everybody. Well here we have prohibitionists using the welfare of children as a tool to take away alcoholic beverages from everybody. It is really contemptible, these tactics.

24 posted on 02/24/2002 5:58:40 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Fifth Business
Yes, I did misread your reply. Sorry about that! Haven't had my coffee yet.
25 posted on 02/24/2002 5:59:56 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: gortklattu
I had always heard how wonderful europeans had it as far as a good beer was concerned. When I went last summer(England,France,Switzerland,Germany,Belgium)I was disappointed. I couldn't find anything there that I couldn't get back home(New Orleans). Had Spaten,Paulaner,etc. The imitation english pubs at home had easily 70 more choices than the real English pubs. A festival beer is one thing but where would you find anything different the rest of the time?
26 posted on 02/24/2002 6:04:34 AM PST by Round 9
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To: SamAdams76
To me, those arguing in favor of Prohibition are no better than those arguing for gun control. Proponents of gun control always point towards tragedies involving children to make their case that guns should be taken from everybody. Well here we have prohibitionists using the welfare of children as a tool to take away alcoholic beverages from everybody. It is really contemptible, these tactics.

It's precisely the same thing. Liberals want gun control. Conservatives want alcohol control. Both of them want tobacco and drug control.

27 posted on 02/24/2002 6:05:53 AM PST by Fifth Business
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To: TomSmedley
Be fruitful, and multiply

I daresay without beer there'd be a lot less of that going on.

28 posted on 02/24/2002 6:13:21 AM PST by lds23
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To: NittanyLion
Ja! Yuengling is yummy!
29 posted on 02/24/2002 6:16:49 AM PST by Temple Owl
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To: Fifth Business
It's precisely the same thing. Liberals want gun control. Conservatives want alcohol control. Both of them want tobacco and drug control.

Can't argue with that statement. It's a shame that many conservatives undermine their moral authority by taking these untenable positions that undermine our liberties and freedom.

I don't take illegal drugs in any shape or form. Yet I do not support the war on drugs. Here's why. For example, I don't smoke marijuana and wouldn't know a marijanua plant if I saw one. But do you know that if somebody didn't like me, they could sneak into my yard at night, transplant some marijauna plants into my garden and call the police? I would then, under federal law, have my property seized. What if somebody planted a bag of cocaine into my suit jacket when I wasn't looking as I was standing in line at the airport? Maybe I am just being paranoid but I resent the fact that it is so easy for somebody else to destroy my life because of these repressive drug laws. It is just too easy to frame somebody up. This is not what America was supposed to be.

30 posted on 02/24/2002 6:17:35 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: mutchdutch
If you make it easy for people to do it, they will do it, if you make it hard, they won't.

Thank God we hav a government to make decisions for the masses and to limit people's choices for them. To hell with those who can handle life with responsibility, we need a government that rules for the least responsible among us.

31 posted on 02/24/2002 6:21:57 AM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: mutchdutch
"If you make it easy for people to do it, they will do it, if you make it hard, they won't"

You of all people should realize that an alcoholic will drink whether it be easy or difficult, legal or illegal.
32 posted on 02/24/2002 6:26:25 AM PST by ThinkLikeWaterAndReeds
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To: FJB2
I hosted German high school students at my house the last two summers. There is a liquor store near my house that specializes in European beers. You can get just about anything from Belgium, Germany, Czech Republic, etc. I took a German student there last summer and we brought some of his favorite brews home. He was amazed to discover that they tasted just as good as back home. Of course, just about every American beer he tried made him want to throw up.

So imported beer is not the inferior product it used to be. I guess travel times across the Atlantic have been much shortened. For example, I picked up a case of Czechvar that was just brewed in November over there. It used to be that import beers would take many months to reach our shores by which time they were usually not very fresh.

My advice to buying imported beer: Go to a store with a good reputation and a lot of traffic. Otherwise you might be buying beer that has been sitting on the shelf a year or more. Also buy beer by the case, especially if the beer comes in clear or green bottles. Once the six-packs are pulled from the case, they become exposed to light and are likely to get "skunked."

33 posted on 02/24/2002 6:27:43 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76
Yet I do not support the war on drugs ....

I agree with you. I do not use illegal drugs either, but I think we overreact to them. And our children see it. We say 'Drugs are bad' one day and give them an aspirin the next day. Rather than teach children to behave responsibly with alcohol, drugs, etc., we legislate against them.

34 posted on 02/24/2002 6:28:31 AM PST by Fifth Business
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To: mutchdutch
If you make it easy for people to do it, they will do it, if you make it hard, they won't.

Really. I knew of an alcoholic once who would drink rubbing alcohol from CVS. He was even known to pry the top off an AquaNet (hairspray) can and drink that. It is sad to see somebody ruin their lives over alcohol. But trying to deny alcohol to everybody else isn't going to help those people. The fact is, most people who drink alcohol do so moderately and have little or no ill effects from it.

35 posted on 02/24/2002 6:31:15 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Eagle Eye
These Prohibitionists and quasi-Prohibitionists amaze me. They totally ignore the fact that alcoholic beverages have been with us as long as civilization. In fact, it can be argued that alcoholic beverages caused us to become civilized in the first place. Wine came about just about the time that we stopped being cavemen. From the very first civilizations, wine and then later, beer and mead, played a prominent role.

In fact, the only major civilization and/or religion to make serious inroads with Prohibition is the Muslims. And that makes you think. Why are Muslims so hateful and so damn uptight about everything? If Muslims were able to let off a little steam every weekend at the local pub or tavern, you think they might loosen up a little? I'm being totally serious. I think the lack of alcoholic beverages is a major contributor to the Muslim problem. When I think of civilization, I think of a major city where you can go to a restaurant with friends or your significant other and have a nice dinner with a bottle of wine or a good beer. Or going to a sports bar on a Sunday afternoon and watching a football game over a few mugs of beer with several hundred others. The Muslims have never known that. Maybe that's why they hate us so much.

36 posted on 02/24/2002 6:45:37 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: gortklattu
The best beer doesn't leave Germany, unless it's in a stomach.

Yep, even the cheap bar stuff I had there was pretty damn good... I tell ya what, that weissbier goes straight through ya though... Y'knowwhatImean?!

37 posted on 02/24/2002 6:47:45 AM PST by maxwell
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To: AppyPappy
AS USUAL, YOU ARE CORRECT.
38 posted on 02/24/2002 6:57:04 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: TomSmedley
"These greedy corporations, say Dobson and Co., are going to cause a great moral upheaval in our country. "

Yeah sure. And if we let that Elvis Presley get up on TV and wiggle and gyrate in a sexual manner, our young people will start having premarital sex and dressing wierd and all kinds of wierdo freaks will take over the music world and. . .oops bad example. Nevermind. parsy.

39 posted on 02/24/2002 7:06:24 AM PST by parsifal
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To: SamAdams76
Christian prohibitionists (typically Americans) overlook the fact that some of the best wine and beer is made by monks in monasteries.
40 posted on 02/24/2002 7:14:17 AM PST by Eagle Eye
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