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Thursday 02/21 Salt Lake Olympic Thread and ** SPOILERS**
DON'T LOOK if you DON'T WANT RESULTS | 02/21/2002

Posted on 02/21/2002 4:29:59 AM PST by alisasny

The events for the day will be underway shortly.

GO TEAM USA and too all freedom loving nations...GOOD LUCK.

You can get live results online at this link

Live Results

Todays Events:

Mens giant slalom 12 noon est.

Cross Country Skiing Women's 4x5 relay 230 pm est.

Curling Ladies bronze medal game USA VS CAN 11 am est.

Curling Ladies Gold Medal Game SUI vs GBR 4 pm est.

Figure Skating Ladies Free Skate 8 pm est.

Ice Hockey Women's bronze medal game 2 pm est.

Ice Hockey Women's gold medal game 7 pm est.

Nordic Combined Sprint k 120 Competition round 130 pm est.

Ohno is a class act.

Reuters Photo

Gold medalist Apolo Anton Ohno of the USA celebrates on the awards stand at the medals ceremony for the Salt Lake 2002 Winter Olympic Games men's 1500m short track in Salt Lake City, February 20, 2002.

and now the sore Loser:

Reuters Photo

Kim Dong-sung of South Korea stands after throwing down his national flag in disgust when judges declared him disqualified for apparently impeding the path of American rival, Apolo Anton Ohno, in the men's 1500 m short track final at the Salt Lake 2002 Olympic Winter Games, February 20, 2002. Kim crossed the finish line first, with Ohno right behind, but Ohno was awarded the gold when Kim was disqualified.

Short track rules, regulations

Intentionally pushing, obstructing or colliding with another racer calls for the offender's disqualification. Improperly crossing the course -- cross-tracking -- is also prohibited.

Lead skater has the right of way and the passing skater must avoid body contact.

Skaters also are disqualified for changing lanes or altering their course at the finish. Competitors are required to skate in a straight line from the end of the corner to the finish line. Veering inside or outside to maintain the lead is grounds for disqualification.

It is clear to this observer that Ohno is the best passer in the sport. Had the Korean not skated into his line Ohno would have won the race anyway. Seems this Korean team engages in alot of dubious moves hoping they dont get spotted. Ohno was very smart to throw up his arms at that moment so the ref didnt miss the rule-breaker.

Thursday, Feb. 21 NBC TV Coverage.
MSNBC — (Women's hockey: bronze medal; Women's curling: gold and bronze medal), 1-7 p.m.
NBC — (Cross-country skiing: women's 4X5km relay), 4-5 p.m.
CNBC — (Women's hockey: gold medal), 7-10 p.m.
NBC — (Figure skating: ladies long program; Alpine skiing: men's giant slalom; Women's hockey: gold medal conclusion; Nordic combined: sprint K120 jump), 8-Midnight
NBC — (Late Night), 12:35-2:05 a.m.




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To: sparkomatic
That short track speed skating stuff is great to watch. Kind os a comnbination of roller derby and NASCAR all on ice. Ohno said in the interview after the race that he knew the Korean would be DQ'd. FWIW, the NBC announcers, at first, said that they didn't think it was much of an infraction and it didn't warrant a DQ. However, upon seeing the overhead replay, they could clearly see that the Korean intentionally came over to his left to block Ohno. Ohno also did his best Hollywood flop move to sell it. All in all, great fun to watch.
41 posted on 02/21/2002 6:46:48 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: alisasny
The South Koreans were the ones who paid off the judges in 1988 to rob Roy Jones Jr. of gold in boxing. Who cares what they think now.
42 posted on 02/21/2002 7:00:03 AM PST by Corporate Law
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Yep. I never really noticed the short track stuff before this year. Just last night I said to my wife, "I really like watching this stuff."
It was also my opinion after seeing that overhead shot that the infraction was fairly blatant.

BTW, I'm a NASCAR fan as well. What'd you think of Sterling Marlin's little trick? Getting out of the car on the red flag. I thought that was a hoot.

43 posted on 02/21/2002 7:02:07 AM PST by sparkomatic
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To: Catspaw
i believe Debbie Thomas did not even win the silver in 1988... she ended up with the bronze... she happened to skate last...
44 posted on 02/21/2002 7:09:30 AM PST by latina4dubya
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To: ken5050
1. Is it impossible for HUghes, #4..to win the gold?..would all three ahead of her have to fall?

For all practical purposes, Hughes can not win gold. Kwan must finish 3rd or lower and Hughes must finish 1st in the free skate. This is very unlikely. However, silver and bronze are within reach.

45 posted on 02/21/2002 7:17:18 AM PST by staytrue
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To: sparkomatic
We thought Sterling had the right idea. Go to the back of the line for "working on the car" versus pitting under green to have the crew look at it - it's a no brainer.
46 posted on 02/21/2002 7:54:37 AM PST by Charlotte Corday
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To: Charlotte Corday
Well if you look at it that way, yeah. I don't think the fender could have gotten into it that much. The contact with Jeffy was so minimal. Another approach he could have taken is to simply ask another driver to look at it. It's kind of like asking the enemy for ammunition, but they do that once in a while.
No matter how it worked out, I was pleased with the race outcome.
I always enjoy hearing Wwwwwaaaarrrrrddd.
47 posted on 02/21/2002 7:58:52 AM PST by sparkomatic
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To: Wyatt's Torch
I love watching Ohno skate. He's intense--but he's having fun. I did so love that little bit of acting at the end of last night's race.

How many more races does Ohno have? I thought he had two chances to medal, but I could be wrong.

48 posted on 02/21/2002 8:22:06 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: ken5050
Hi ken: I too like Irina Slutskaya very much and have since first I saw her bounce onto the ice years ago...something so appealing about her looks, her apple-cheeks, and yes, her great jumping ability. But Kwan is the epitome of feminine grace on the ice...she gets the jumps done tidily and wows the audience with her ability to seemingly become the music. A great artist. So what are the olympics about?

Without major glitches, it will be Kwan, Slutskaya, Cohen, with Hughes remaining at #4. But the thrill of the sport is the possibility for glitches...so we watch and wait. I'm clinging to the left edge of the continent, so will turn off all media until my tape delayed version comes on three hours after the shouting.

Actually, I'm thrilled with the "diversity" of our medalists. Jennifer Rodriguez, the Miami Cuban speedskater girl, Parras, the Miami Mexican record-setting speedskater, and Ms. Flowers, our black Alabama girl who touchingly sang every word of the Star Spangled Banner at the medals ceremony whilst her white left-coast partner didn't seem to know a word. And of course, Danny Kwan, Michelle's dad, came here from Hong Kong or Taiwan. These kids really love being Americans and living the American Dream.

49 posted on 02/21/2002 8:24:22 AM PST by PoisedWoman
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To: alisasny
Kim Dong-sung of South Korea stands after throwing down his national flag in disgust when judges declared him disqualified ...
The sportsmanship of the athletes throughout the games has been extraordinary. I include Apollo's earlier second-place finish when the skaters were all taken down, which he dismissed as "an occupational hazard." Kim Dong-sung's reaction, OTOH, was shameful. Personally, I'd consider barring him from any competition for life for throwing his national flag to the ice. (Just had to get that off my chest.)
50 posted on 02/21/2002 8:30:36 AM PST by eastsider
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To: eastsider
Image: Li Jiajun, Apolo Anton Ohno and Marc Gagnon

Li Jiajun of China, Apolo Anton Ohno of the U.S. and Marc Gagnon of Canada receive their medals for the men's 1500 short track event on Wednesday.

51 posted on 02/21/2002 8:34:46 AM PST by alisasny
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After Ohnowas taken out the other day and got the silver, with a laceration on his thigh, he limped to the medals podium. But even the pain couldn't stop his smile. It might not have been gold, but it was still an Olympic achievement.

Shame on the Korean who disrespected his flag in such a sad manner.

52 posted on 02/21/2002 8:37:16 AM PST by alisasny
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To: alisasny
Apolo Anton Ohno
Thanks for that shot of the ceremony -- and for the spelling correction. : )
53 posted on 02/21/2002 8:38:34 AM PST by eastsider
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To: Catspaw
I think he's got 2 more races. There's the relay that he's anchoring.

Remember the qualifying round that they had to re-start after the S. Korean stumbled half-way through? They got disqualified, BTW. Hmmm, is there a pattern here? The remaining contenders basically had to skate a race-and-a-half.

54 posted on 02/21/2002 8:38:48 AM PST by Carolina
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To: eastsider
The south Koreans are going to protest the result.

(Reuters) - South Koreans were outraged after their hopeful Kim Dong-sung crossed the line first only to be disqualified in the Olympic 1,500 metres short track final.

American speedskater Apolo Anton Ohno won the gold medal after chief referee James Hewish of Australia adjudged that Kim was guilty of cross-tracking, or interfering, with Ohno's path when the American was trying to move up the inside.

"It is outrageous and unbelievable. The disqualification is a reflection of America's distorted patriotism after the September 11 plane attacks in the U.S.," said Sohn Joo-suk, 30-year-old employee at Daishin Securities.

"This year's winter Olympics in the Salt Lake City are tainted with the hosting country's ugly home advantage."

Controversy is expected to flare up further as the Korean sport authorities plan to take the issue to the court, Korea's media reported.

"We should do something about it. The referee's decision is obviously in favour of the United States," said Park Young-min, a 44-year-old manager at SK Group.

Kim Dong-Sung threw the South Korean flag on to the ice in disgust and disbelief after he was disqualified.

South Korean journalists stormed out of the media arena and broadcasters booed during the medal ceremony when Ohno was awarded the gold medal.

The anger was palpable among the South Korean short track camp after an immediate protest had been dismissed.

The South Korean fury was directed both at the Australian referee and at Ohno, who they believed had manipulated the decision by some clever play-acting.

The key hinged on the interpretations of the relevant rule. Did Kim "improperly cross the course of, or interfere with, another competitor"?

"I can't really say," Ohno replied to the initial question at the post-race news conference. "That was definitely a referee's decision."

Ohno, who had moved smoothly up from fifth to second in the final laps, threw up his hands the first time Kim appeared to cut across him.

As he crossed the line he pointed to where he thought a second obstruction had occurred.

As the noise from the predominantly American crowd at the Salt Lake Ice Center reached deafening proportions, Hewish and his two assistants skated to the middle of the rink, waving away an intrusive television camera crew.

They consulted and the crowd's outrage changed to elation as the announcer proclaimed Kim had been disqualified.

55 posted on 02/21/2002 8:44:35 AM PST by alisasny
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To: staytrue
I'm sorry, but I'd be amazed if Hughes medals. She's just not there. Besides, Maria Butryskaya is better than Hughes. They have the same large frame, and kind of galky on skates.

One reason Kwan and Cohen are so revered is their petite size. Remember Tara Lipinski? Petite. Slutskaya is much closer to petite than Hughes or Butryskaya. But thats just a minor thing, overall.

If Slutkaya skates flawlessly and chooses a difficult routine, it will clearly be a superior performance to anything Kwan can put on the ice. But thats a big "if".

56 posted on 02/21/2002 8:44:59 AM PST by mikhailovich
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To: alisasny
"This year's winter Olympics in the Salt Lake City are tainted with the hosting country's ugly home advantage."
What a freepin' ass. Reminds me of these food delivery guys in the city -- they'll just about run you over with their bikes going the wrong way on a one-way avenue, and shout at you to F yourself while you're standing there stunned. How rude.
57 posted on 02/21/2002 8:50:58 AM PST by eastsider
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To: mikhailovich
I was honestly surprised that Kwan won the short. Slutskya (spelling?) was clearly technically superior. I have to say though, that I'd be similarly surprised if Kwan lost the long program (barring a breakdown).

The key to my rationale is the tiebreak system. In the short the tiebreak (for judges who mark the skaters with the exact same total score) is the technical mark. Hence my surprise that Kwan won the short.

However, for tonight's skate, the artistic mark breaks the tie. One can easily imagine a circumstance where Slutskya is marked above Kwan a tenth in the technical mark, and below Kwan a tenth in the artistic mark. Kwan would win that judges ordinal. If they both skate clean, then I bet that tiebreak comes into play. A lot.

58 posted on 02/21/2002 8:54:29 AM PST by TontoKowalski
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To: alisasny; All
Television schedule for Thursday, Feb 21, 2002 -Day 14-

NBC

4 - 5 PM ET / 3 - 4 PM PT

Cross-Country Skiing: Women's 4x5km relay

Is there team in the world that can beat defending Olympic champion Russia? Probably not. With 1998 Olympic medal winners Larissa Lazutina, Olga Danilova and Yulia Tchepalova ready to man three legs of the relay, the Russians look very imposing. At the 2001 World Championships, the Russian team won the relay by more than a minute. Finland, Norway, Italy and Germany should battle it out for the remaining Olympic hardware.

8 - 9:15 PM ET / 7:30 - 8:45 PM PT

Alpine Skiing: Men's giant slalom

Today's men's giant slalom at Park City figured to be a showdown between longtime rivals Hermann Maier of Austria and Swiss superstar Michael Von Gruenigen. But with Maier out of the Games, Von Gruenigen is a clear favorite. Maier might be gone, but the deep Austrians can turn to Benjamin Raich or a slew of others to challenge for a medal. And don't count out American Erik Schlopy, who finished third in the 2000-2001 World Cup GS standings.

9:15 - 9:30 PM ET / 8:45 - 9 PM PT

Nordic Combined: Sprint, K120 competition

The nordic combined sprint is making its Olympic debut today. On the first day of competition, each athlete takes one jump from the large hill, which measures 120 meters (about 394 feet). On the second day, competitors take part in a 7.5-kilometer cross-country race. German Ronny Ackermann took the sprint bronze at the 2001 worlds and is coming off an impressive World Cup campaign. Finland's Samppa Lajunen was the silver medalist at worlds and has the savvy and sprinting ability to threaten for the gold. Others with medal chances are Austria's Felix Gottwald and Japan's Kenji Ogiwara.

9:30 PM - 12 AM ET / 9 - 11:30 PM PT

Figure Skating: Ladies' long program

The ladies will light up the final night of the competition. Stars such as Michelle Kwan and Sarah Hughes of the United States and Irina Slutskaya of Russia will use every inch of the ice in trying to present well-balanced long programs of combined athleticism, including risky triple-jump combinations, and artistic grace. Officially called the free skate, the long program counts for two-thirds of the final score and is always among the most popular events of the Olympic Winter Games.

Late Night: February 21 / Day 14

Jay Leno
Medal Ceremonies
Highlights of the day
Concert Series: Alanis Morissette


MSNBC

1 - 2 PM ET / 10 - 11 AM PT

Curling: Women's bronze medal game, United States vs. Canada

The United States, led by skip Kari Erickson, takes on Canada today for a shot at the Olympic medal stand. In semifinal action, the U.S. lost to Switzerland 9-4, while Canada fell to Great Britain 6-5. The two teams met earlier in the round-robin tournament, with Canada winning 6-4. If the U.S. wins, it will be the country's first Olympic medal in curling.

2 - 4:30 PM ET / 11 AM - 1:30 PM PT

Ice Hockey: Women's bronze medal game, Finland vs. Sweden

Finalnd takes on Sweden in the battle for the bronze medal today. Finland lost 7-3 to Canada in the semifinals, while Sweden was shutout by the U.S., 4-0. Finland defeated Sweden 6-0 in Nagano, the last time the two teams met in Olympic play. Finland is the defending Olympic bronze medalist.

4:30 - 7 PM ET / 1:30 - 4 PM PT

Curling: Women's gold medal game, Switzerland vs. Great Britain

Switzerland takes on Great Britain in today's gold medal game. When the two teams met in the round-robin tournament, Great Britain won 6-4. If Great Britain wins the gold medal, it will be their first gold at the Winter Games since Jayne Torvill and Christopher Dean won the ice dancing gold at the 1984 Sarajevo Games.

CNBC

7 - 10 PM ET / 4 - 7 PM PT

Ice Hockey: Women's gold medal game, United States vs. Canada

A tight, hard-fought game can be expected today at the E Center as the United States and Canada battle for the gold medal. The two teams have faced off 30 times in major competitions, including the 1998 Olympic gold medal game, where the Americans earned a 3-1 win. Canada will look to reproduce its success of three straight victories over the United States in title games at the World Championships since the Nagano Games. But the American women have owned the ice in their two Olympic tournaments, coming into today's game unbeaten in 10 games and having outscored their opponents 67-9.

Event Schedule in real time

*All times are EST, the Olympics are in MST

Sport/Event Time (ET)
Women's curling  
   Bronze medal match 11:00 a.m.
   Gold medal match 4:00 p.m.
Alpine skiing 12:00 p.m.
   Men's giant slalom  
Nordic combined 12:30 p.m.
   Sprint  
Women's hockey  
   Bronze medal match 2:00 p.m.
   Gold medal match 7:00 p.m.
Cross country 2:30 p.m.
   Women's 4x5k relay  
Figure skating 7:45 p.m.
   Women's free program  



59 posted on 02/21/2002 9:01:16 AM PST by Utah Girl
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To: glock rocks
I can't believe how beautiful it is here today. That storm cleared the gunk out of the air. I just took a walk around the building, wow, what a sight the mountains are against the blue blue sky.
60 posted on 02/21/2002 9:04:46 AM PST by Utah Girl
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