Thursday 02/21 Salt Lake Olympic Thread and ** SPOILERS**

DON'T LOOK if you DON'T WANT RESULTS | 02/21/2002

[alisasny]

The events for the day will be underway shortly.

GO TEAM USA and too all freedom loving nations...GOOD LUCK.

You can get live results online at this link

Live Results

Todays Events:

Mens giant slalom 12 noon est.

Cross Country Skiing Women's 4x5 relay 230 pm est.

Curling Ladies bronze medal game USA VS CAN 11 am est.

Curling Ladies Gold Medal Game SUI vs GBR 4 pm est.

Figure Skating Ladies Free Skate 8 pm est.

Ice Hockey Women's bronze medal game 2 pm est.

Ice Hockey Women's gold medal game 7 pm est.

Nordic Combined Sprint k 120 Competition round 130 pm est.

Ohno is a class act.

Gold medalist Apolo Anton Ohno of the USA celebrates on the awards stand at the medals ceremony for the Salt Lake 2002 Winter Olympic Games men's 1500m short track in Salt Lake City, February 20, 2002.

and now the sore Loser:

Kim Dong-sung of South Korea stands after throwing down his national flag in disgust when judges declared him disqualified for apparently impeding the path of American rival, Apolo Anton Ohno, in the men's 1500 m short track final at the Salt Lake 2002 Olympic Winter Games, February 20, 2002. Kim crossed the finish line first, with Ohno right behind, but Ohno was awarded the gold when Kim was disqualified.

Short track rules, regulations

Intentionally pushing, obstructing or colliding with another racer calls for the offender's disqualification. Improperly crossing the course -- cross-tracking -- is also prohibited.

Lead skater has the right of way and the passing skater must avoid body contact.

Skaters also are disqualified for changing lanes or altering their course at the finish. Competitors are required to skate in a straight line from the end of the corner to the finish line. Veering inside or outside to maintain the lead is grounds for disqualification.

It is clear to this observer that Ohno is the best passer in the sport. Had the Korean not skated into his line Ohno would have won the race anyway. Seems this Korean team engages in alot of dubious moves hoping they dont get spotted. Ohno was very smart to throw up his arms at that moment so the ref didnt miss the rule-breaker.

Thursday, Feb. 21 NBC TV Coverage.
MSNBC — (Women's hockey: bronze medal; Women's curling: gold and bronze medal), 1-7 p.m.
NBC — (Cross-country skiing: women's 4X5km relay), 4-5 p.m.
CNBC — (Women's hockey: gold medal), 7-10 p.m.
NBC — (Figure skating: ladies long program; Alpine skiing: men's giant slalom; Women's hockey: gold medal conclusion; Nordic combined: sprint K120 jump), 8-Midnight
NBC — (Late Night), 12:35-2:05 a.m.

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[alisasny]

Good morning everyone. The last 2 days of Olympics have been great. Now that the games are winding down I hope Team USA can pull off a few more wins to get on the top of the Medal board. That would be nice.

[ken5050]

Have they posted the order of skating for the ladies?

and a few questions for the cognoscenti, if you please.

1. Is it impossible for HUghes, #4..to win the gold?..would all three ahead of her have to fall?

2. Within the top three, is their an advantage to skating first or last, or does it depend on how well the previous skaters did?....

[Lee'sGhost]

Just the thread I was looking for. OK, folks, here's the question. The media made a BIG deal out of the fact that an "African American" woman won gold in the bobsled -- the first African American to medal in the winter olympics.

My question is; so does that mean she is the first first "black" person to win in winter? In typical American media PC style, the assumption seemed to be that "African American" was synonymous with black. Of course, if it's just the first black "American" who won a medal and not the first black, who cares?! NBC would intentionally leave that fact out because it does not sound as spectacular. In their attempt to be PC, have they slighted black "non-Americans" who may have won? The fact that they specially did not make this clear tells me that she was not the first black. Can anyone confirm?

[Wyatt's Torch]

This story says she's the first "black" to win a gold.

[Catspaw]

She is the first black to win a gold at the winter Olympics. Debbie Thomas won a silver.

[Wyatt's Torch]

So does this one.

[Catspaw]

Any of the top four, including Hughes, can win a gold. And I think it's better to skate last. But--and I'm going out on a limb--I think it's going to be Kwan, the Russian (whose name escapes me at the moment) and Cohen, with Hughes in 4th.

[alisasny]

On Thursday, Kwan skates next-to-last, followed by Slutskaya.

This is all I could find so far. I will bump ya when I do get the list.

[Lee'sGhost]

Ahhh, so Reuters and Ticker got it right, but NBC did not bother to clarify. Thanks.

[ken5050]

I think the Russian, Slutskaya, was the best, bar far, but I've always been partgial to the athletic style of women's figure skating....loved Jo-Jo SDtarbuck and Denise Beilmann.....Hughes will =be awesome in a few years, IMHO..ultimately the best of the lot, by far..seems to me that if the judges can't "decide" (hm) between Kwan and the Russkie, they might give it to Hughes or Cohen, whichever skates the best..

[Wednesday's Child]

re: Ohno is a class act.
When they crossed the finish line, Ohno had a huge smile on his face! He knew he had been faulted. He is a class act for just quietly skating around waiting for the ref's decision. And, the other night when he fell and was injured, there was no "poor me" or any finger pointing. He just accepted it as a risk of the sport and continued on. Yep, a class act in my book!

[mikhailovich]

The stage is set for Kwan to win Gold. I'm tempted to say Cohen might even overtake Slutskaya for Silver. Barring some incredible, flawless performance by Hughes, I just don't think she has it to reach the top (yet).

It all comes down to this......if Kwan and Slutskaya skate basically the same they did in the short program (tonight), Kwan takes Gold. It will take a fall or several deductions for her to lose out to Slutskaya. The judges have already said she's more appealing on the ice. Gold is her's to lose.

[TontoKowalski]

Ken, Hughes can still win gold. Here's how:

The top three finishers in the short program have control over their own destiny in the long. If they win the long, then they win the gold.

The skater in 4th after the short needs some help to win. If Hughes, in 4th after short, wins the long, and Kwan, in first, finishes second in the long, then Kwan still wins the gold. Interestingly enough, one of Kwan's world championships was won with this scenario. She was in 4th after the short, won the long, and the leader after the short finished third in the long.

The bottom line to you question: If Hughes finishes first in the long, and Kwan finishes third, then Hughes wins the gold.

Technically, a skater in even lower standings after the short can win the gold, but the results of the long have to break his or her way, and I wouldn't look for that to happen tonight.

[glock rocks]

i have a friend who is a blond haired and blue eyed
caucasian who moved here from union of south africa
and has become an American citizen.

so, she's an african-american, right?

[glock rocks]

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[writmeister]

Actually, Debi Thomas won the bronze. Liz Manley of Canada won the silver after she out-skated both Thomas and Katerina Witt in the free skate.

[glock rocks]

NBC

TV schedule subject to change

4 - 5 PM ET / 3 - 4 PM PT

Cross-Country Skiing: Women’s 4x5km relay
Is there team in the world that can beat defending Olympic champion Russia? Probably not. With 1998 Olympic medal winners Larissa Lazutina, Olga Danilova and Yulia Tchepalova ready to man three legs of the relay, the Russians look very imposing. At the 2001 World Championships, the Russian team won the relay by more than a minute. Finland, Norway, Italy and Germany should battle it out for the remaining Olympic hardware.

8 - 9:15 PM ET / 7:30 - 8:45 PM PT

Alpine Skiing: Men’s giant slalom
Today’s men’s giant slalom at Park City figured to be a showdown between longtime rivals Hermann Maier of Austria and Swiss superstar Michael Von Gruenigen. But with Maier out of the Games, Von Gruenigen is a clear favorite. Maier might be gone, but the deep Austrians can turn to Benjamin Raich or a slew of others to challenge for a medal. And don’t count out American Erik Schlopy, who finished third in the 2000-2001 World Cup GS standings.

9:15 - 9:30 PM ET / 8:45 - 9 PM PT

Nordic Combined: Sprint, K120 competition
The nordic combined sprint is making its Olympic debut today. On the first day of competition, each athlete takes one jump from the large hill, which measures 120 meters (about 394 feet). On the second day, competitors take part in a 7.5-kilometer cross-country race. German Ronny Ackermann took the sprint bronze at the 2001 worlds and is coming off an impressive World Cup campaign. Finland’s Samppa Lajunen was the silver medalist at worlds and has the savvy and sprinting ability to threaten for the gold. Others with medal chances are Austria’s Felix Gottwald and Japan’s Kenji Ogiwara.

9:30 PM - 12 AM ET / 9 - 11:30 PM PT

Figure Skating: Ladies’ long program
The ladies will light up the final night of the competition. Stars such as Michelle Kwan and Sarah Hughes of the United States and Irina Slutskaya of Russia will use every inch of the ice in trying to present well-balanced long programs of combined athleticism, including risky triple-jump combinations, and artistic grace. Officially called the free skate, the long program counts for two-thirds of the final score and is always among the most popular events of the Olympic Winter Games.

12:35 - 2:05 AM ET / 12:05 - 1:35 AM PT

Late Night: February 21 / Day 14
Jay Leno
Medal Ceremonies
Highlights of the day
Concert Series: Alanis Morissette


MSNBC

TV schedule subject to change

1 - 2 PM ET / 10 - 11 AM PT

Curling: Women’s bronze medal game, United States vs. Canada
The United States, led by skip Kari Erickson, takes on Canada today for a shot at the Olympic medal stand. In semifinal action, the U.S. lost to Switzerland 9-4, while Canada fell to Great Britain 6-5. The two teams met earlier in the round-robin tournament, with Canada winning 6-4. If the U.S. wins, it will be the country’s first Olympic medal in curling.

2 - 4:30 PM ET / 11 AM - 1:30 PM PT

Ice Hockey: Women’s bronze medal game, Finland vs. Sweden
Finalnd takes on Sweden in the battle for the bronze medal today. Finland lost 7-3 to Canada in the semifinals, while Sweden was shutout by the U.S., 4-0. Finland defeated Sweden 6-0 in Nagano, the last time the two teams met in Olympic play. Finland is the defending Olympic bronze medalist.

4:30 - 7 PM ET / 1:30 - 4 PM PT

Curling: Women’s gold medal game, Switzerland vs. Great Britain
Switzerland takes on Great Britain in today’s gold medal game. When the two teams met in the round-robin tournament, Great Britain won 6-4. If Great Britain wins the gold medal, it will be their first gold at the Winter Games since Jayne Torvill and Christopher Dean won the ice dancing gold at the 1984 Sarajevo Games.


CNBC

TV schedule subject to change

7 - 10 PM ET / 4 - 7 PM PT

Ice Hockey: Women’s gold medal game, United States vs. Canada
A tight, hard-fought game can be expected today at the E Center as the United States and Canada battle for the gold medal. The two teams have faced off 30 times in major competitions, including the 1998 Olympic gold medal game, where the Americans earned a 3-1 win. Canada will look to reproduce its success of three straight victories over the United States in title games at the World Championships since the Nagano Games. But the American women have owned the ice in their two Olympic tournaments, coming into today’s game unbeaten in 10 games and having outscored their opponents 67-9.

[ken5050]

Many thanks for the info.....BTW, have you given up on your efforts to win the hand of the fair Alicia....or did your wife offer to drive you to the airport?......(G) seriously, does AC have a webpage yet.....I agree with you that she's a cutie....ya wanna start a Fan Club.....DOFWAAAC...Dirty Old Freepers Who Absolutely Adore Alicia Camplin

[Lee'sGhost]

Well, that would be the question, wouldn't it? This stuff can get very confusing. I just want to keep track so I can be sure NOT to be PC.