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| 02/21/2002
Posted on 02/21/2002 4:29:59 AM PST by alisasny
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Good morning everyone. The last 2 days of Olympics have been great. Now that the games are winding down I hope Team USA can pull off a few more wins to get on the top of the Medal board. That would be nice.
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posted on
02/21/2002 4:29:59 AM PST
by
alisasny
To: alisasny
Have they posted the order of skating for the ladies?
and a few questions for the cognoscenti, if you please.
1. Is it impossible for HUghes, #4..to win the gold?..would all three ahead of her have to fall?
2. Within the top three, is their an advantage to skating first or last, or does it depend on how well the previous skaters did?....
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posted on
02/21/2002 4:44:07 AM PST
by
ken5050
To: alisasny
Just the thread I was looking for. OK, folks, here's the question. The media made a BIG deal out of the fact that an "African American" woman won gold in the bobsled -- the first African American to medal in the winter olympics.
My question is; so does that mean she is the first first "black" person to win in winter? In typical American media PC style, the assumption seemed to be that "African American" was synonymous with black. Of course, if it's just the first black "American" who won a medal and not the first black, who cares?! NBC would intentionally leave that fact out because it does not sound as spectacular. In their attempt to be PC, have they slighted black "non-Americans" who may have won? The fact that they specially did not make this clear tells me that she was not the first black. Can anyone confirm?
To: Lee'sGhost
This
story says she's the first "black" to win a gold.
To: Lee'sGhost
She is the first black to win a gold at the winter Olympics. Debbie Thomas won a silver.
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posted on
02/21/2002 4:51:34 AM PST
by
Catspaw
To: Lee'sGhost
To: ken5050
Any of the top four, including Hughes, can win a gold. And I think it's better to skate last. But--and I'm going out on a limb--I think it's going to be Kwan, the Russian (whose name escapes me at the moment) and Cohen, with Hughes in 4th.
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posted on
02/21/2002 4:54:32 AM PST
by
Catspaw
To: ken5050
On Thursday, Kwan skates next-to-last, followed by Slutskaya.
This is all I could find so far. I will bump ya when I do get the list.
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posted on
02/21/2002 4:55:01 AM PST
by
alisasny
To: Wyatt's Torch, CatsPaw
Ahhh, so Reuters and Ticker got it right, but NBC did not bother to clarify. Thanks.
To: Catspaw; alisasny
I think the Russian, Slutskaya, was the best, bar far, but I've always been partgial to the athletic style of women's figure skating....loved Jo-Jo SDtarbuck and Denise Beilmann.....Hughes will =be awesome in a few years, IMHO..ultimately the best of the lot, by far..seems to me that if the judges can't "decide" (hm) between Kwan and the Russkie, they might give it to Hughes or Cohen, whichever skates the best..
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posted on
02/21/2002 5:06:51 AM PST
by
ken5050
To: alisasny
re: Ohno is a class act.
When they crossed the finish line, Ohno had a huge smile on his face! He knew he had been faulted. He is a class act for just quietly skating around waiting for the ref's decision. And, the other night when he fell and was injured, there was no "poor me" or any finger pointing. He just accepted it as a risk of the sport and continued on. Yep, a class act in my book!
To: alisasny
The stage is set for Kwan to win Gold. I'm tempted to say Cohen might even overtake Slutskaya for Silver. Barring some incredible, flawless performance by Hughes, I just don't think she has it to reach the top (yet).
It all comes down to this......if Kwan and Slutskaya skate basically the same they did in the short program (tonight), Kwan takes Gold. It will take a fall or several deductions for her to lose out to Slutskaya. The judges have already said she's more appealing on the ice. Gold is her's to lose.
To: ken5050
Ken, Hughes can still win gold. Here's how:
The top three finishers in the short program have control over their own destiny in the long. If they win the long, then they win the gold.
The skater in 4th after the short needs some help to win. If Hughes, in 4th after short, wins the long, and Kwan, in first, finishes second in the long, then Kwan still wins the gold. Interestingly enough, one of Kwan's world championships was won with this scenario. She was in 4th after the short, won the long, and the leader after the short finished third in the long.
The bottom line to you question: If Hughes finishes first in the long, and Kwan finishes third, then Hughes wins the gold.
Technically, a skater in even lower standings after the short can win the gold, but the results of the long have to break his or her way, and I wouldn't look for that to happen tonight.
To: Lee'sGhost
i have a friend who is a blond haired and blue eyed
caucasian who moved here from union of south africa
and has become an American citizen.
so, she's an african-american, right?
To: alisasny; olympics list
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To: Catspaw
Actually, Debi Thomas won the bronze. Liz Manley of Canada won the silver after she out-skated both Thomas and Katerina Witt in the free skate.
NBC
TV schedule subject to change
4 - 5 PM ET / 3 - 4 PM PT
Cross-Country Skiing: Womens 4x5km relayIs there team in the world that can beat defending Olympic champion Russia? Probably not. With 1998 Olympic medal winners Larissa Lazutina, Olga Danilova and Yulia Tchepalova ready to man three legs of the relay, the Russians look very imposing. At the 2001 World Championships, the Russian team won the relay by more than a minute. Finland, Norway, Italy and Germany should battle it out for the remaining Olympic hardware.
8 - 9:15 PM ET / 7:30 - 8:45 PM PT
Alpine Skiing: Mens giant slalomTodays mens giant slalom at Park City figured to be a showdown between longtime rivals Hermann Maier of Austria and Swiss superstar Michael Von Gruenigen. But with Maier out of the Games, Von Gruenigen is a clear favorite. Maier might be gone, but the deep Austrians can turn to Benjamin Raich or a slew of others to challenge for a medal. And dont count out American Erik Schlopy, who finished third in the 2000-2001 World Cup GS standings.
9:15 - 9:30 PM ET / 8:45 - 9 PM PT
Nordic Combined: Sprint, K120 competitionThe nordic combined sprint is making its Olympic debut today. On the first day of competition, each athlete takes one jump from the large hill, which measures 120 meters (about 394 feet). On the second day, competitors take part in a 7.5-kilometer cross-country race. German Ronny Ackermann took the sprint bronze at the 2001 worlds and is coming off an impressive World Cup campaign. Finlands Samppa Lajunen was the silver medalist at worlds and has the savvy and sprinting ability to threaten for the gold. Others with medal chances are Austrias Felix Gottwald and Japans Kenji Ogiwara.
9:30 PM - 12 AM ET / 9 - 11:30 PM PT
Figure Skating: Ladies long programThe ladies will light up the final night of the competition. Stars such as Michelle Kwan and Sarah Hughes of the United States and Irina Slutskaya of Russia will use every inch of the ice in trying to present well-balanced long programs of combined athleticism, including risky triple-jump combinations, and artistic grace. Officially called the free skate, the long program counts for two-thirds of the final score and is always among the most popular events of the Olympic Winter Games.
12:35 - 2:05 AM ET / 12:05 - 1:35 AM PT
Late Night: February 21 / Day 14Jay Leno
Medal Ceremonies
Highlights of the day
Concert Series: Alanis Morissette
MSNBC
TV schedule subject to change
1 - 2 PM ET / 10 - 11 AM PT
Curling: Womens bronze medal game, United States vs. CanadaThe United States, led by skip Kari Erickson, takes on Canada today for a shot at the Olympic medal stand. In semifinal action, the U.S. lost to Switzerland 9-4, while Canada fell to Great Britain 6-5. The two teams met earlier in the round-robin tournament, with Canada winning 6-4. If the U.S. wins, it will be the countrys first Olympic medal in curling.
2 - 4:30 PM ET / 11 AM - 1:30 PM PT
Ice Hockey: Womens bronze medal game, Finland vs. SwedenFinalnd takes on Sweden in the battle for the bronze medal today. Finland lost 7-3 to Canada in the semifinals, while Sweden was shutout by the U.S., 4-0. Finland defeated Sweden 6-0 in Nagano, the last time the two teams met in Olympic play. Finland is the defending Olympic bronze medalist.
4:30 - 7 PM ET / 1:30 - 4 PM PT
Curling: Womens gold medal game, Switzerland vs. Great BritainSwitzerland takes on Great Britain in todays gold medal game. When the two teams met in the round-robin tournament, Great Britain won 6-4. If Great Britain wins the gold medal, it will be their first gold at the Winter Games since Jayne Torvill and Christopher Dean won the ice dancing gold at the 1984 Sarajevo Games.
CNBC
TV schedule subject to change
7 - 10 PM ET / 4 - 7 PM PT
Ice Hockey: Womens gold medal game, United States vs. CanadaA tight, hard-fought game can be expected today at the E Center as the United States and Canada battle for the gold medal. The two teams have faced off 30 times in major competitions, including the 1998 Olympic gold medal game, where the Americans earned a 3-1 win. Canada will look to reproduce its success of three straight victories over the United States in title games at the World Championships since the Nagano Games. But the American women have owned the ice in their two Olympic tournaments, coming into todays game unbeaten in 10 games and having outscored their opponents 67-9.
To: TontoKowalski
Many thanks for the info.....BTW, have you given up on your efforts to win the hand of the fair Alicia....or did your wife offer to drive you to the airport?......(G) seriously, does AC have a webpage yet.....I agree with you that she's a cutie....ya wanna start a Fan Club.....DOFWAAAC...Dirty Old Freepers Who Absolutely Adore Alicia Camplin
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posted on
02/21/2002 5:37:14 AM PST
by
ken5050
To: glock rocks
Well, that would be the question, wouldn't it? This stuff can get very confusing. I just want to keep track so I can be sure NOT to be PC.
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