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To: OKCSubmariner
Did you see Larry Johnson, former CIA officer, on fox news today at about 1:00pm? He said he had reviewed Davis' information, and thought it was credible. He raised this case as an example of problems in the FBI counterterrorism efforts, inspite of the efforts of many good field agents.

It seems like this story is gathering legs.

Regards,

21 posted on 02/17/2002 9:23:34 AM PST by Triple
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To: Triple,STARWISE,ratcat,thinden,Uncle Bill,Wallaby,golitely,Marianne,archy,Fred Mertz,Plummz,arist
US Congressman Ernest Istook of Oklahoma allegedly told two OK Deputy Sheriffs on the night of April 19, 1995 in front of the Murrah Building rubble that he knew the FBI and US government had received a terror threat against a Federal Building in OKC(there were only two and they were across the street from each other) about a week to ten days before the bombing from a known ME terror group in OKC.

This known ME terror group referred to by Istook is believed to be the Hamas cell in OKC referred to in my earlier reply #9 which has been here for over ten years, helped plan the WTC attacks and who have helped McVeigh and later the hijacker pilots (Atta) in the 9/11 attacks.

The two deputy sheriffs, Don Hammonds and Dave Kochendoerfer, put out sworn affidavits at a news conference in OKC in 1997 and also testified before the OK County grand jury investigating the bombing. The sheriffs were treated badly by FBI agent James Carlyle who told them he was going to write up what amounted to a false FBI 302 interview report falsely claiming that the sheriffs were just repeating "scuttlebutt" they had heard. The sheriffs objected to what Carlyle told the sheriffs Carlyle was going to write in this FBI 302 report. The sheriffs they stuck to their stories by writing a letter of complaint to the FBI in DC and the local FBI SAC in OKC, Mr. Kucker, at the time.

David Kochendoerfer is considered a pillar of morality in his community and has taught Sunday school for years.

There appears to have been domestic informants for the FBI working on the inside of the OKC bombing preparations with McVeigh. Some have been identified in articles on the FreeRepublic and to the AG Ashcroft who did nothing. It is believed that another possible motive for the FBI cover-up-up of OKC is because the FBI not only had foreknowledge and forewarning, but somehow screwed up with their own domestic informants which could get the FBI in trouble with Congress and the American people.

The CIA agent referred to in Triple's reply #22, Mr. Johnson, also told Congress last year that the Egyptian Ali Mohammed had fooled the FBI as a triple or double agent for the FBI and Bin Laden.

Ali was indicted for the first WTC bombing (planned by Hamas in OKC), the Kenyan and Tanzanian embassy bombings, for training AlQaeda cells in the US on how to bomb public buildings and for setting up AlQaeda cells in the US and around the world. Ali helped move Bin LAden from Sudan to Somalia. Ali worked closely with Laden's secretary elHage who lived in Dallas, Texas and ALi and elHage are strongly believed to have helped in the OKC bombing with the Hamas and Iraqi groups in OKC and Dallas which FBI inspector Danny Defenbaugh knew about when he was on the OKC bombing case and also later when he was tracking Bin Laden terrorists out of Dallas in 1998 as Dallas FBI SAC.

Ali did all the above while he worked for the FBI out of Sacramento California from 1992 to 1998. Prior to that Ali was an instructor for US Special Forces and worked briefly for the CIA.

elHAge told a Federal judge at the embassies bombing trials in a letter in 2000 that he had forewarned the FBI about the Kenyan and Tanzanian bombing but was ignored. And Ali made a similar claim to have forewarned the FBI. The FBI knew about plans to bomb these embassies six months before they were bombed according to several articles posted on FreeRepublic in 2000.

Ali's and elHAge claims are plausible since both also were involved in the first WTC attacks and it is known now that the FBI had advanced knowledge of the first WTC bombing from another informant besides Ali, Mr Salem, who objected that FBI superiors had not listened to his FBI handlers to do enough to stop the bombing.

Janet Reno did a special plea bargain with Ali Mohammed (to cover up US screw ups and forewarning and foreknowledge about Bin Laden terror group attacks?) after it was revealed by Andrea Mitchell (Greenspan's wife who works for MSNBC) that US intelligence believed the Egyptian airliner was crashed into the sea by the Egyptian pilot in protest for the incarceration of fellow Egyptian Ali Mohammed.

25 posted on 02/17/2002 10:14:45 AM PST by OKCSubmariner
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