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To: freeeee;Cultural Jihad;tpaine;southern rock;Kevin Curry;FreeTally;NittanyLion;Dane;Roscoe
I just read this thread today and saw that no one from "my side" really responded to #13. That's not surprising, because it does require some serious thought, and you need to invest a little time. But it is THE thing we have to do if we ever want to convert a Libertarian!

It is clear that no single individual should ever be given the right to determine society--mentioning Stalin's Russia or the Third Reich should suffice to make this point. The question is rather: should a majority be given the right to set the rules for a minority?

The Libertarians argue that this would have--is having--dangerous consequences. Four wolves and a sheep voting on dinner, as somebody wrote on another thread.

I do completely agree with this reasoning. Rules set by a majority may hurt minorities, including myself. So what alternatives do we have?

The Libertarians propose a simple set of unambiguous rules which, as they claim, would maximize individual liberty. Fine, I say, let's do it! Do it ... but how? The Democrats in Congress would never agree to it, so we'd have to follow the recipe outlined in the Declaration of Independence, and overthrow the Government.

Can we do that? It depends on who is stronger. God created our world so that the fittest will survive--so, in the end, the rules are set by those who are the fittest and strongest. God gave the strongest the right to set the rules, and no man can take it away from them.

The wolves will eat the sheep, unless the sheep has a gun. Or a brain. Or an ally. Or, most preferably, all three.

This should suit everyone, as long as you intend to work hard, use your brain, make friends, maximize your wealth by doing honorable business, and strengthen your will by having a good relationship with the Lord. These are the things that Conservatives do. These are the things that have made America the strongest nation on Earth--and, if we keep on with our determination, these are the things that will make Conservatives the strongest group within America. And we don't apologize.

75 posted on 02/18/2002 12:51:19 PM PST by Smile-n-Win
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To: Smile-n-Win
Thanks for trying to address post #13.

The lack of answers to it stuck out like a sore thumb. I noticed the anti-libertarians ran from that question like rats from a sinking ship.

So, am I to understand that you agree with us in prinicple, but not in practice, because liberals wouldn't agree to go along with it?

77 posted on 02/18/2002 1:06:55 PM PST by freeeee
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To: Smile-n-Win
Rules set by a majority may hurt minorities, including myself. So what alternatives do we have?
The Libertarians propose a simple set of unambiguous rules which, as they claim, would maximize individual liberty. Fine, I say, let's do it! Do it ... but how?

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By fighting to restore the constitution, as per it's original intent.

-- Read the first section of the 14th amendment. - Investigate why it was passed.
It was intended to restore the balance of power tween fed & state to maximize individual liberty. It has been ignored, just as much of the rest of our constitution is being subverted by both parties.

This site is dedicated to constitutional restoration, yet most here are unable to see that party politics are directly contrary to that goal.

80 posted on 02/18/2002 2:08:10 PM PST by tpaine
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