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To: Baseballguy
People will be voluntarily moral, self-disciplined, and God-fearing or they will be ruled by tyrants or nannies. Government intrusion isn't something I seek. But it is an inevitable consequence of a society that believes it can live like hell but reside in paradise.

I advocate voluntary morality, self-discipline, and fear of God. I live it and I teach it to my children. My children and I could live very easily and well within a libertarian society. We will never see it because libertarians and socialists believe they can have liberty without religion and morality.

The problem with the libertarian vision of a good society is, they can't get there from where most libertarians are. They live a half-truth, which is the worst sort of lie.

64 posted on 02/15/2002 12:05:04 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
As I've said before, I'll say again: libertarianism would work fine in a society comprising highly moral, self-disciplined, God-fearing people.

-- Of course it would kevin.
-- But the true genius of our constitutional republic would be realised if it's basic libertarian principles were reinstated and honored by courts & government officials.

We would then have a society that worked, --- dispite immoral, undisciplined, irreligious people.
Self interest & fair treatment under minimal law work. Our nearly hundred year experiment in big brother government has not. - #32 posted by tpaine

People will be voluntarily moral, self-disciplined, and God-fearing or they will be ruled by tyrants or nannies. Government intrusion isn't something I seek. But it is an inevitable consequence of a society that believes it can live like hell but reside in paradise.

You simply deny reality. The first hundred years of our republic belies your conclusion. Are you claiming that the prohibition movements of the 1900's were brought on by the victorians of the late 1800's?

I advocate voluntary morality, self-discipline, and fear of God. I live it and I teach it to my children. My children and I could live very easily and well within a libertarian society. We will never see it because libertarians and socialists believe they can have liberty without religion and morality.

--- Not so. -- We can, if we simply enforce our original constitutional concept. -- It has been corrupted by a prohibitionist big brother socialism. Which you support. Can you say it isn't so?

The problem with the libertarian vision of a good society is, they can't get there from where most libertarians are. They live a half-truth, which is the worst sort of lie.

-- Unsupported hogwash. You hate libertarianism, - and cloak your hate with specious generalizations.

66 posted on 02/15/2002 12:41:07 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Kevin Curry
Government intrusion isn't something I seek.

Liar.

182 posted on 02/19/2002 10:24:03 AM PST by steve-b
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