[Dakmar]

I agree that use of force is such a situation would be moral, but I'm not quite sure I could categorize it as initiation, since its use is in response to people harming those around them. I could be argued that the perps are initiating force by mis-appropriating public space against the will of those around them.

[Khepera]

OK. Well you know the libertarians engage in a lot of fun word games. I suppose if we argue the meaning of "IS" long enough we will find some other meaning or use for it. You’re a good guy Dakmar. Thank you for helping me explain.