[Khepera]

You are incorrect. It is not always wrong to initiate force and your saying that "it is wrong" is a fraud.

[Dakmar]

When is it moral to initiate force against others?

[freeeee]

It is not always wrong to initiate force

When is it not wrong to initiate force?

Please note, taking defensive force against someone who constitutes an immediate threat of initiation of force does not qualify as initiation of force.

Hence, self defense against an imminant attacker won't cut it as an example.