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Santa Barbara Libertarians help win Boy Scout discrimination fight
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Posted on 02/15/2002 6:50:19 AM PST by DoSomethingAboutIt
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To: Dane
Ok Dane, I'll concede that point to you.
Now onto another point, the one raised in post #13.
If people have a right to determine what kind of society they live in, aren't they exercising those very rights when they dictate to the Scouts that they must accept gays and atheists?
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:07:32 AM PST
by
freeeee
To: tpaine
Blind to his own bigotry, he smeared the Boy Scouts. Typical LPer.
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:09:03 AM PST
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Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Blind to his own bigotry Had he not come to the defense of the Scouts, that would have been true.
Rather, he saw through his own bigotry in principled defense of rights. I'd say his action speaks louder than his words.
Could you explain why he'd do such a thing? I mean we're always supposed to be promoting vice. Why did libertarians oppose gays in this case?
BTW, care to take a crack at the point raised in post #13? We don't seem to have any takers yet. Maybe you'd like to give it a shot?
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:16:03 AM PST
by
freeeee
To: freeeee
And the ACLU has defended the Klan.
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:18:37 AM PST
by
Roscoe
To: Roscoe
I'm not in the business of defending ACLU, but can you guess why ACLU defended them? Would you have?
BTW, had any thoughts on post #13?
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:21:52 AM PST
by
freeeee
To: freeeee
I think CJ, Dane and KC have been backed into a corner with that question. No responses - they just ignore it. I've posed it to them in another way before - "If the majority votes against what you want/believe, is it ok", and the only reply is "The Constitution still has to be followed." Their refusal to answer such questions only convinces me more that they are just trolls.
To: Kevin Curry
Sounds to me like you want to be the one who determines how a highly moral, self-disciplined, God-fearing people is defined.
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:37:47 AM PST
by
stuartcr
To: FreeTally
Their refusal to answer such questions only convinces me more that they are just trolls. Well, it appears that way.
Honestly, I don't think they have an answer. I think that example in post #13 undermines everything they stand for, so it's VERY uncomfortable for them to think about, so they ignore it.
I think this example in contradiction in conservative thought (I wouldn't use the term 'principles') deserves its own thread, don't you? ; )
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:37:59 AM PST
by
freeeee
To: freeeee
You should read the article. What do you think an "initiative" is?
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:40:57 AM PST
by
Roscoe
To: Cultural Jihad
That's ridiculous, tolerating evil does not not make one evil. If it did, then everyone who tolerates and forgives a sinner, would be a sinner also.
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:43:36 AM PST
by
stuartcr
To: Austin Willard Wright
Silence speaks only to those who have already decided what they want to hear.
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:45:22 AM PST
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stuartcr
To: Roscoe
You should read the article. I read it. I won't comment on any thread where I haven't read the article.
What do you think an "initiative" is?
In this case I think it refers to a referendum.
BTW, any thoughts yet about post #13?
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:46:43 AM PST
by
freeeee
To: freeeee
In this case I think it refers to a referendum. Congratulations.
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:47:53 AM PST
by
Roscoe
To: Roscoe
"Even bigots have rights," said [Santa Barbara LP Secretary Robert Bakhaus].
Ironic statement.
More than you realise.
He means even you.
Blind to his own bigotry, he smeared the Boy Scouts. Typical LPer.
Not at all, -- in context, his remark is a general comment on the right to free association, --- to be 'bigoted' in a flipant sense.
Your own bigotry to libertarians is evident. - And your hypocrisy.
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:51:15 AM PST
by
tpaine
To: Roscoe
So let me guess here: since this was a referendum, it supports people deciding what kind of community they want to live in?
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:51:42 AM PST
by
freeeee
To: freeeee
I think that example in post #13 undermines everything they stand for, so it's VERY uncomfortable for them to think about, so they ignore it. The reality is, these posters never take a stand on any issue without checking to see what a libertarian has said. At that point, they automatically select the opposing position as their own. Some intellectual honesty, huh?
To: Kevin Curry
"As I've said before, I'll say again: libertarianism would work fine in a society comprising highly moral, self-disciplined, God-fearing people. On balance our society no longer meets that criteria, and on the whole the Libertarian Party is ruled by men and women who spurn and ridicule such indispensible notions as Judeo-Christian based morality.
Many libertarians say that despite this, a more libertarian government would provide no remedy for demonstrably poor or detrimental behaviors (no government funded drug-treatment, reduced or eliminated welfare, no state supplied healthcare, to name a few) and therefore act as a social selection process. One that would require the best behaviors to naturally evolve from individual necessity. Do you think this has merit?
To: NittanyLion
The reality is, these posters never take a stand on any issue without checking to see what a libertarian has said. At that point, they automatically select the opposing position as their own. Yes, I have noticed that too. This thread is a prime example. Roscoe is already trying to get freeeee to play games with him. They have no "positions", they just want to disrupt.
Some intellectual honesty, huh?
Yep. The pinnacle of intellectual honesty.
To: The Green Goblin
There is no such thing a right to pedophilia, so your statement is foolish. That's true, but there are many Libertarians who disagree, in principle, of course.
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