Santa Barbara Libertarians help win Boy Scout discrimination fight

LP News ^ | February | LP

[freeeee]

Not that part, just to equate defending the scouts right to practice morality in excluding sexual deviants to defending Larry Flynt's right to print his material.

The left doesn't like the Scouts. The left doesn't like Flynt.

Neither sees the point: When the will of the majority is used to violate the rights of others in pursuit of morality, you empower your opponent to limit your own rights.

The left sees discrimination as immoral. The right sees pornography as immoral. Both hand the government a big stick. Soon enough, government is staring at you. And he's holding the stick you gave him.

[Roscoe]

A few of the more extremist Libertarians apparently even hold that the Boy Scouts are slimeballs.

[freeeee]

the libertarians did something good but for the wrong reasons

Principled defense of free association rights is not a wrong reason.

[tpaine]

Yep. -- Course it's a free county, which we know you disapprove of, -- but what is your other problem with the statement? -- Whats 'bigoted' about it?

[freeeee]

The left doesn't like Flynt.

Correction: The right doesn't like Flynt.

Sorry for the typo.

[Khepera]

Yes it is a good reason but not the right reason. "Moral Values" is the right reason because with that you do not need another reason. To bad the libertarians do not support moral values.

[Texaggie79]

The left sees discrimination as immoral. The right sees pornography as immoral.

Democrats think that they can force their personal beliefs on everyone (just like forcing the boyscouts to accept gay leaders). Libertarians think that they can deprive everyone of any kind of standards, whatsoever (creating chaos). True conservatives see that through communities, and groups (like the boy scouts) we can share morals and standards and function as our founders intended.

[Roscoe]

"Next, they'll make it illegal for White men to refuse to marry Black women."

Whats 'bigoted' about it?

And the Libertarians call the Boy Scouts bigots. Boundless hypocrisy.

[freeeee]

Don't these types of laws constitute the very principals you advocate -- people determining what kind of society they want to live in?

They won't answer the question. I already tried. I don't think they have an answer. Expect to be ignored, or be called names, just don't expect a logical reply.

[Dakmar]

Correction: The right doesn't like Flynt.

I don't think NOW is too fond of him either.

[tpaine]

fight for a slimeballs rights

Glad you feel that way about our boyscouts. Is this a common Libertarian opinion you hold?

YOU are over the line, and acting like a slimeball. Retract.

[tpaine]

You're acting like slimeball also. - Pitiful little creep.

[Texaggie79]

Read what you posted. I remarked on a Libertarian in the article saying that even BIGOTS have rights when discussing the boyscouts, and you reply saying that it takes backbone to defend slimeballs. I mean, it's nice that you respect the rights of the boyscouts, but calling them slimeballs doesn't look to good, on the morality scale.

[freeeee]

"Moral Values" is the right reason because with that you do not need another reason.

If not 'needing another reason' is the criteria for being 'the right reason', then by your definition, we too have 'the right reason'. Principled defense of free association rights needs no additional reasons to be legitimate. It stands on its own.

To bad the libertarians do not support moral values.

Prohibition of initiation of force or fraud is a moral value. It is always immoral to initiate force or fraud. This is an absolute moral value.

Say what you like about us, but it cannot be said that we hold no moral values. Our entire philosophy is based upon one.

[tpaine]

Play all the silly wordgames you like, slimeball.

[Khepera]

You are incorrect. It is not always wrong to initiate force and your saying that "it is wrong" is a fraud.

[untenured]

Racial discrimination in housing and employment is illegal.

1. False. Tenants and employees may discriminate as much as they like "in housing and employment."

2. Do you support the enactment of these laws?

[tpaine]

Keep up with your scumbag lie that I called scouts slimeballs, and I call in the mods.

You are over the line.

[Dakmar]

When is it moral to initiate force against others?

[Roscoe]

The Boy Scouts are bigots, and the government is going to force "White men to marry Black women?"

What an "interesting" philosophy.