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9th Circuit Appeals Court Hears Cliff Gardener Case
The Sierra Times ^ | 15 February, 2002 | Sierra Times

Posted on 02/15/2002 3:02:57 AM PST by brityank

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In a non-planned, but effective maneuver, Gardner, received 99% of the time in front of the judges. Attorney for the United States from Reno, Brian Sullivan, Esq. sat with clinched fists having forfeited his ability to rebut Gardner.

I wonder what this is about; curious, no?

Nothing is listed on the US District and Appeals Court pages yet.

1 posted on 02/15/2002 3:02:57 AM PST by brityank (brityank@FReepmail)
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Ping.
2 posted on 02/15/2002 3:05:08 AM PST by brityank
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Here is some ammunition for Gardener, from a FR thread dated 8/01/1999.

JURISDICTION

The Constitution of the United States mentions the areas of jurisdiction in which the courts may operate:

Common Law:
Common Law is based on God's Law. Anytime someone is charged under the Common Law, there must be a damaged party. You are free under the Common Law to do anything you please, as long as you do not infringe on the life, liberty, or property of someone else. You have a right to make a fool of yourself provided you do not infringe on the life, liberty, or property of someone else. The Common Law does not allow for any government action which prevents a man from making a fool of himself. For instance, when you cross over state lines in most states, you will see a sign which says, "BUCKLE YOUR SEAT BELTS--IT'S THE LAW." This cannot be Common Law, because who would you injure if you did not buckle up? Nobody. This would be compelled performance. But Common Law cannot compel performance.

Equity Law:

Equity Law is law which compels performance. It compels you to perform to the exact letter of any contract that you are under. So, if you have compelled performance, there must be a contract somewhere, and you are being compelled to perform under the obligation of the contract. Now this can only be a civil action--not criminal. In Equity Jurisdiction, you cannot be tried criminally, but you can be compelled to perform to the letter of a contract. If you then refuse to perform as directed by the court, you can be charged with contempt of court, which is a criminal action. Are our seat belt laws Equity laws? No, they are not, because you cannot be penalized or punished for not keeping to the letter of a contract.

Admiralty/Maritime Law: This is a civil jurisdiction of Compelled Performance which also has Criminal Penalties for not adhering to the letter of the contract, but this only applies to International Contracts. Now we can see what jurisdiction the seat belt laws (and all traffic laws, building codes, ordinances, tax codes, etc.) are under. Whenever there is a penalty for failure to perform (such as will failure to file), that is Admiralty/Maritime Law and there must be a valid international contract in force. However, the courts don't want to admit that they are operating under Admiralty/Maritime Jurisdiction, so they took the international law or Law Merchant and adopted it into our codes.

That is what the supreme Court decided in the Erie Railroad case--that the decisions will be based on commercial law or business law and that it will have criminal penalties associated with it. Since they were instructed not to call it Admiralty Jurisdiction, they call it Statutory Jurisdiction.

The UCC Connection

3 posted on 02/15/2002 3:30:30 AM PST by chainsaw
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To: brityank
bttt
4 posted on 02/15/2002 3:51:18 AM PST by shotabug
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To: brityank
Good article and a good arguement.
5 posted on 02/15/2002 3:55:07 AM PST by Movemout
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This argument is not really very novel. It was used effecively by New Mexico several years ago. The Supreme Court has upheld the argument. The difference between territorial jurisdiction and federal jurisdiction under the states was created in the Dred Scott decision in 1857, I believe. About two years ago, the Dred Scott case was overturned on these grounds. It has nothing to do with common law or equity law or maritime law. It has to do with jurisdiction. This information is by memory from a lecture by the lawer who first found the contradiction in court cases and used it to win in New Mexico.

Several cases have been won using this argument, because it is fundamental to the separation of powers in the Constitution. The difficulty is threading the needle in the Federal Courts so as to give the opposing side no wiggle room. This is often difficult to do if you don't fully understand the arguments and have competent lawers who are familiar with the relevant case law.

6 posted on 02/15/2002 4:19:40 AM PST by marktwain
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Thanks for the info. I wasn't positing that the arguement was novel, only that it was a good arguement.
7 posted on 02/15/2002 4:22:03 AM PST by Movemout
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I wasn't trying to be critical, just to get the information out. There are a lot of tinfoil hat legal theories out there that do not stand up in court. This is not one of them. This is a very serious argument that the court has been favoring. Everyone can win big with this.
8 posted on 02/15/2002 6:22:03 AM PST by marktwain
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I want to know this man.

Gardner is right on the money with his argument but I am curious as to why he didn't mention the "equal footing doctrine" for Nevada's admission to statehood. This was a point of contention regarding ownership of Federal lands even when the states of the Louisiana Territories were carved up. At that time, the Feds were using the land sales for direct revenue. The new States of the Territories argued that, once admitted to full Statehood, the land reverted to the States for sale, else that admission to the Union was under a standing that was unequal and therefore discounted the rights, freedoms, and representation of their citizens. (It already was unequal given the geographic scale of later admissions in the Senate. As far as I am concerned the nation needs a full reapportionment. It's WAY too blue.)

From what I can recall, Nevada may be a poor case for the equal footing argument because it was admitted without the requisite minimum population necessary under US Law (and was therefore unequal the other way!). (I think it had something to do with the Comstock.) Anyway, if this were brought up, is it possible that the Statehood itself would be invalidated in any minor respect?

Ain't it a tangled bitch when Congress doesn't follow the Constitution?

9 posted on 02/15/2002 6:50:59 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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Such as New York v. United States?
10 posted on 02/15/2002 6:53:38 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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Have you been here? Barefooot Bob has a heck of a dissertation on Maritime Law in the United States.
11 posted on 02/15/2002 7:02:52 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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Ain't it a tangled bitch when Congress doesn't follow the Constitution?

Congress doesn't know we have a Constitution? At least that's is my assumption because of the Bills that come from the Congressional representatives.

13 posted on 02/15/2002 7:24:12 AM PST by B4Ranch
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He represented himself in front of an appeals court!?! Gotta love it. It sounds like he did a great job, too.
14 posted on 02/15/2002 7:39:14 AM PST by monkeyshine
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This is what this thread links to.

NV: Rancher Challenges Court's Jurisdiction

15 posted on 02/15/2002 7:39:33 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Carry_Okie
else that admission to the Union was under a standing that was unequal and therefore discounted the rights, freedoms, and representation of their citizens.

Right. Very good argument. If the feds control the land, they can control the state's representation in Congress... effectively (and intentionally if so desired) diluting and suppressing the states power by manipulating the population.

17 posted on 02/15/2002 7:44:26 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Carry_Okie
More on the BLM screwing cattle ranchers, especially Cliff.
18 posted on 02/15/2002 7:45:57 AM PST by B4Ranch
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As I recall, the equal footing argument is an important part of this doctrine, but there are several more. One of the more important ones is that the Federal government can not take away the rights a citizen has by being a citizen of a particular state by decree. And that is what they are doing on much of so called federal land. Another part of the argument is that the federal government has no right to the land. Under equal footing, the federal government can't require the state to give up the rights to land within its borders as a condition to statehood.
19 posted on 02/15/2002 8:13:30 AM PST by marktwain
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I agree with all of that, I just didn't see the term "equal footing" in the text of the article. I'm not sure that I saw "state citizenship" either.
20 posted on 02/15/2002 8:19:01 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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