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To: Okiegolddust
So the organizational elite certainly subsidizes immigration preferentially. You could argue that in a democratic society the opponents have an equal opportunity to organize in opposition, and if not, its their fault. Well its not their fault when the opposition uses subversive and undemocratic means to prevent their organization or atack their legitimacy, such as attacking any groups that oppose immigration as "hate" groups, as immigrationists like Spencer Abraham did in his (losing) senetorial campaign.

I don't think of this as "subversive" unless they are doing something like rigging elections by assisting illegal immigrants in voting. But you are correct that pro-immigration advocates often attempt to demonize the other side. Sometimes they sincerely believe that immigration reform advocates are motivated by racism (some of the pro-immigration folks are lefties, after all). But some of them are just cynically trying to smear their opponent so they don't have to debate the issues.

There was a good example in the news Thursday. Arizona Congressman J.D. Hayworth was speaking in favor of a CFR amendment that would bar political contributions from legal immigrants. He was attacked as being "xenophobic" and being against Hispanics, even though his remarks had to do with the Chinese contributions to Clinton-Gore.

There's no remedy for this except to keep pointing out where such statements are unfair, and at times, absurd and hateful. And I'm an optimist in that I think in the long run such rhetoric by pro-immigration speakers backfires on them. The American public eventually sees through stuff like this when it is pointed out.

28 posted on 02/16/2002 2:51:29 AM PST by AzJohn
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To: AzJohn
The American public eventually sees through stuff like this when it is pointed out.
The problem is that Americans may see but they usually don't act, at least as far as the issue of mass immigration goes. Most Americans are uninformed about mass immigration or are too intimidated by the "politically correct elite" to act or speak out about the issue.
29 posted on 02/16/2002 4:57:12 AM PST by Love America or move to ......
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