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Posted on 02/14/2002 7:04:52 AM PST by ArGee

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To: Sloth
Sorry, forgot about that amendment. But for the Mormons, it was about twenty years too late. I have to say on a strict anti-federalist sense that I oppose the 14th amendment. The States should have similar wording in their constitutions to protect our liberties, but it is wrong in my opinion, to have such governance inured to federal scrutiny.
21 posted on 02/14/2002 9:50:25 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: ArGee
See? We solved the problem. Give pastors and doctors killing permits. Government happy. People that want to kill happy.

Seriously, this a problem begging for a solution. As much as I would love to protect those little ones, I really don't want government to do it for me. A local jury of peers should review and punish any dicovered crimes.

22 posted on 02/14/2002 9:58:12 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: ArGee
BTTT
23 posted on 02/14/2002 11:11:06 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: ArGee
ArGee, I know you're not really confused, you know very well that the government is omnipotent and the savior to all who support it financially but aren't qualified to express thought. Only the government can decide what is right for us. The government should decide what religion we practice, how we vote, what we think about and restrict that nagging right called freedom of speech, especially 60 days before an election.

I feel like we're living "Animal Farm".

I seriously wonder if God thinks it's time to start over.

God Bless and save us from our government.

EODGUY

24 posted on 02/14/2002 1:24:07 PM PST by EODGUY
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To: Dakmar
Post 3 is cute. =)
25 posted on 02/14/2002 1:38:54 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: ArGee
Thanks for the new post. Great work. =)
26 posted on 02/14/2002 1:40:30 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
mind boggling bump. ;-)
27 posted on 02/14/2002 1:53:17 PM PST by Dakmar
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To: homeschool mama;SpookBrat;ArGee;Khepera;JMJ333
Would you two mind giving us a piece of your minds? This one's way too.....uhhhh.....

Seriously, this is living proof of a society that's died due to the lack of God in it. In my NEVER so humble opinion!!!!!

ArGee, mind boggling is right.

28 posted on 02/14/2002 10:37:48 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: ArGee; Brad's Gramma
The irony of the whole story is just sickening. Of course, everyone knows that treating your children this way is wrong. But we're tied up in knots because we've given up our right to use language such as right and wrong. In the current political climate, I just can't understand why this woman isn't left to kill her kids or let them live as she chooses.

Then again, I'm not sure how the current political climate condemns Andrea Yates either. It's either OK to kill your kids, or it's not.

Brad's Gramma, I can't really give a piece of my mind any better than our great ArGee did. ArGee, you summed it up pretty well. We dug ourselves into a very deep whole in 1973. "It's either OK to kill your kids, or it's not" I guess, as ArGee said, it depends on the motivation. If you are obtaining a selfish abortion because you've got too many kids to feed already, or a man will get the CEO spot you've worked 15 years for, then it's ok to kill your child. If you’re just a psycho, hormonal woman who doesn't like your kids today, then killing them is bad. Sometimes. Sometimes we feel sorry for her because we just don't understand postpartum depression well enough, or gee, she was molested as a child. Sniff. Then of course, you've got your average idiot involved in a stupid cult which tells them what to do. They are so sucked up into it, they will kill their own children if told, by feeding them water and almond milk. I’m sorry, but idiocy this day and age about infant or childcare really amazes me. I can’t believe people are so stupid.

Geeze, I have no idea what I'm saying. I'm rambling. I agree with ArGee that the not so fine line, but the very plain and easy to understand LINE of RIGHT and WRONG is very blurred. And I really don't appreciate the Supreme Court, the Legislature, the President, NOW, the NEA, etc.....telling me what's right and wrong. If you don't follow God's laws of what's right and wrong, for example...THOU SHALT NOT MURDER...PERIOD...life tends to get awfully complicated and ironic. It’s pretty disgusting to me that we, as a nation, have to depend on the courts to tell us which lives are worth protecting and which ones aren’t. I guess if you are a baby, it all depends on the luck of the draw. How sad.

As far as I'm concerned, I think anyone who kills their own flesh and blood is involved in a cult. The cult of hedonisim and/or humanism. JMHO

29 posted on 02/15/2002 6:04:08 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: EODGUY
I seriously wonder if God thinks it's time to start over.

I might be a little happier to trust the government to know these things if they were a little more consistent.

As for your question, for my sake I hope so. For many I love who would be lost, I hope He can wait a little longer.

Shalom.

30 posted on 02/15/2002 6:53:38 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Brad's Gramma
Seriously, this is living proof of a society that's died due to the lack of God in it.

It's a society that has denied itself the right to think straight (no pun intended).

Judge: You understand ma'am that you have a legal obligation to take care of that baby that's growing in your womb. Unless you want an abortion. Then it's a fetus and you are free to abort it and I am not allowed to care by law. But if you just want to avoid taking care of yourself in a way that will guarantee its health, then you have a legal obligation and I will enforce it if I have to.

Defendant: Judge, can you go on Free Republic and see Dakmar's post #3? I think it expresses my current mental state.

The end of Romans 1 comes to mind.

Shalom.

31 posted on 02/15/2002 6:56:42 AM PST by ArGee
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To: SpookBrat
It?s pretty disgusting to me that we, as a nation, have to depend on the courts to tell us which lives are worth protecting and which ones aren?t.

Truth bump.

I guess if you are a baby, it all depends on the luck of the draw.

Well, today it's only true for babies. Tomorrow?

Anyone remember Logan's Run?

Shalom.

32 posted on 02/15/2002 6:59:14 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Oddly, it sounds more like Child Sacrifice than anything. Child Sacrifice was used to control people.
33 posted on 02/15/2002 7:03:00 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
Oddly, it sounds more like Child Sacrifice than anything. Child Sacrifice was used to control people.

Interesting point.

Shalom.

34 posted on 02/15/2002 7:31:06 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
As for your question, for my sake I hope so. For many I love who would be lost, I hope He can wait a little longer.

That is my dilemma as well.

God Bless,

EODGUY

35 posted on 02/15/2002 9:10:22 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: EODGUY;ArGee
That is my dilemma as well.

Ditto's from me....

36 posted on 02/15/2002 8:44:20 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: ArGee
This sure is a weird case. But I'm glad she was in jail to ensure the child lived. I want to know what happened to the other child though. The one that died. Someone said it was taken off it's diet and it died :(

Just out of curiosity is this that different than Christian Scientists view?

37 posted on 02/15/2002 9:24:08 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: grlfrnd
This sure is a weird case.

This is where things get tricky. If all religions are equally valid, then who is to say that she was wrong for starving her baby (or aborting it or whatever)? If she was wrong, then we must have some kind of standard for evaluating the validity of a religion.

That's a dangerous situation to be in, but once upon a time we had such a standard and knew how to use it. Now we don't.

So, if I have a religion that wants me to smoke dope once a week? This has come up before and the courts ruled that society had a reson for keeping them from practicing their religion. That was the wrong ruling and is a danger to us all. It would have been far better to rule the religion not a valid religion. That can also be dangerous, but we should be able to define a valid religion in a way that is not dangerous.

Unfortunately, modern USA has denied itself the ability to make such distinctions.

Shalom.

38 posted on 02/18/2002 7:27:24 AM PST by ArGee
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