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To: 2Trievers
Big Tobacco is paying the price of their folly back in the mid 1990's when they lied under oath about not knowing nicotine being addictive, only to have ALL those embarassing memos from the 60's and 70's pop up. I can't believe no one shredded those...

This is all about revenge, pure and simple. Before those memos showed up, NO ONE and I mean NO ONE was able to win a case against Big Tobacco. After the memos, it seems BT lost cases left and right. Jurors were all pissed off at having been lied to, pure and simple.

Not that I'm saying that this is right or anything...just that BT is paying for the folly of thinking they could lie under oath and get away with it. You takes yer chances, you pays yer dues when you get caught...

Is it time for me to point out the hypocricy in letting one cabal of companies market a dangerous product while still keeping pot illegal?
12 posted on 02/13/2002 3:58:18 AM PST by WyldKard
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To: WyldKard
Big tabacco paying the price give me a break - after the settlement the price of a pack went up $1.50 per pack and smokers still buy them up. This whole deal was just a way to put in a large regressive sales tax without calling it a tax. The states and the feds are now only more dependent on the smoke companies for tax revenues. People who think that this money is coming from the profits of the cig companies are naive. BTW you ever wonder why the liquer and beer companies have been immune from this same sort of government tax attack? I mean drunk drivers hitting a non-drunks car has a hell of a lot more effect on the public than second hand smoke. Big sugar better be ready to pass on the next tax.
14 posted on 02/13/2002 4:23:11 AM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: WyldKard
Big Tobacco is paying the price of their folly back in the mid 1990's when they lied under oath about not knowing nicotine being addictive, ...This is all about revenge, pure and simple. Before those memos showed up, NO ONE and I mean NO ONE was able to win a case against Big Tobacco. After the memos, it seems BT lost cases left and right. Jurors were all pissed off at having been lied to, pure and simple.

Your points are well-taken, but not totally accurate. During the Waxman interrogation--which virtually everyone mis-remembers because the media has mis-reminded them--the tobacco executives were asked whether they "believed" nicotine was addictive. You cannot call that a lie. I don't believe it is either, particularly since I know how that definition came about. And Big Tobacco began losing lawsuits, not because the jurors were pissed, but because the lawmakers changed the laws making it impossible for them to mount a defense. Lawton Chiles in Florida was the first to do so by adding a rider to a certain-to-be-passed bill in a midnight vote, and after the tobacco companies lost, the law was quietly changed back so it wouldn't affect other, more "reputable" and politically correct industries. Then, of course, the money started to flow and the rest is history. Up until now, at least.

30 posted on 02/14/2002 9:50:50 AM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: WyldKard
Big Tobacco is paying the price of their folly back in the mid 1990's when they lied under oath about not knowing nicotine being addictive, only to have ALL those embarassing memos from the 60's and 70's pop up. I can't believe no one shredded those...

OK. In the first place, what would you have expected them to say?

In the second place, "addiction" is a very individual thing. The number of frequent smokers has dropped from about 50 percent to about 25 percent since I was a boy in the 60's, due almost entirely to education. Half the smokers in the country gave up the habit and walked away on information alone. Getting the rest to quit will not happen short of Carrie Nation prohibitionist tactics.

In the third place, now that smokers have effectively been banned from confined office spaces, most restaurants, all common carriers and -- in certain liberal-crazy counties -- even in their own homes, the smoking-prohibitionists have now run out of facades to mask what they've wanted all along...total prohibition.

Ah, but NOW the matter falls to government, which has been totally two-faced about the whole issue for at least 30 years. Smokers are damn lucrative, and governments salivate over the sin tax they generate. They also die sooner (statistically,) reducing the amount that must be spent on them toward the last. (Leaving money, of course, for million-dollar heart transplants for convicted felons in prison.)

Gubmint will wag its politically-correct finger at you for doing "that awful thing," while, with its other hand, "politically collect" the tax money you generate, because, when it comes down to it, THEY NEED YOU.

My home state of Tennessee funded half its budget last year on its share of the tobacco settlement. Stupid move, using one-time funds to pay for ongoing expenses, but this was the same legislature that adopted socialized medicine in a state that runs on a sales tax. Of course, that was calculated, too, with a RINO governor who now says a state income tax is the only way out.

Well, maybe it'll come to that in Tennessee. But until then, those who have so far bypassed confiscatory state taxes can thank -- at least in their own self-absorbed minds -- every working-stiff who manages to step outside the factory and light up a Marlboro during his five-minute break.

Even if you're reading this from one of the "blue spots" on the map, people like him are helping to pay your way.

52 posted on 02/14/2002 2:24:05 PM PST by ihatemyalarmclock
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