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How schools are tricked into using PCs--when Macs are better
Zdnet ^ | 2/11/02 | Bob Shier

Posted on 02/12/2002 4:51:44 AM PST by Vermonter

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To: Rodney King
Stop whining and trying to convert us. You are like a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses, only not as polite.

Where does it say I want to convert you? If you don't agree with the subject, there are hundreds of other threads here to visit.

Talk about Jehovah's Witnesses, who's trying to convert who?

21 posted on 02/12/2002 5:12:51 AM PST by Vermonter
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To: Vermonter
What a shock, the guy in charge of maintenance and upkeep is inexperienced in maintaining PC's and, oh by the way, obviously hostile due to the loss of his beloved Apples, and somehow there is an 'uptime' problem?

Shocking! :)
22 posted on 02/12/2002 5:14:16 AM PST by Daus
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To: Tree of Liberty
vast majority of students will use in the real world

Took 9 posts to get to the heart of the matter and the truth.

23 posted on 02/12/2002 5:14:18 AM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: Tree of Liberty
The few industries that use macs are graphic artistry and publishing.

Actually, that's changing dramatically. Its now most cost effective than ever before to write, edit and produce your own movies (with special effects) on a computer, and the Mac is leading the way. 100+ scenes from Lucas' movie were made on an iMac with OS X and the lastest rendering software. So did the Hobbit. ESPN has done a couple specials, all using iMacs and the latest software -- if your field is visual arts, (which is expanding) then graphics is where its at for you -- and the Mac is simply better- because that's what it was designed to do.

There other fabulous applications - not associated with graphics - mathematica (a word processor for methematicians) which I believe only exists on OS X.

The Objective-C language which Apple is pushing on X is extremely powerful - that's technology from NeXT which Apple has bought. Back then, it was lauded as being 20 years ahead of its time.

24 posted on 02/12/2002 5:14:20 AM PST by Utopia
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To: Vermonter
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't feel that PC's are necessary equipment for primary education.

They increase costs, require expensive upgrades and repair, and the average score for kids has been dropping since their introduction.

I'd consider an introduction to computers in high school for technical education...but use the years up to that point to teach the kids how to THINK, not input...

25 posted on 02/12/2002 5:15:21 AM PST by gorush
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To: Vermonter
I use a Mac and love it, but think that students (except those planning on graphic careers), are better prepared for the future by learning on, and working on PCs.
26 posted on 02/12/2002 5:15:42 AM PST by wheezer
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To: Vermonter
If the CIA had its' choice it would use the best computers.

Like the housing and property industry which is run by the axium Location, Location, Location the CIA uses Macs because of Security, Security, Security.

27 posted on 02/12/2002 5:16:01 AM PST by It'salmosttolate
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To: Vermonter
Sorry, I was really directing my comments more to the author of the article than at you. However, every time I run in to a Mac user, they are telling me why I ought to buy a Mac next time.
28 posted on 02/12/2002 5:16:02 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: Tree of Liberty
OK, if the schools went out and bought a reliable PC (Dell, Compaq, ect) rather than a locally built cheapie (most of these contracts are won by the 'lowest bidder', who helps write the requirements document), they would have far fewer problems. Mac's are fine also.

The biggest factor in favor of PC over Macs is the availibility of applications. Go to comp USA or Best Buys and look at the size of the pc apps section then look at the mac apps section, EOS.

In some respects what Johnny is learning in school won't really apply to the real world. How much will change in the next 4-8 years between when the kiddie is in HS and when they are in the real world?

As for the Internet, Browsers and emils are pretty generic and the platform doesn't matter very much.

29 posted on 02/12/2002 5:16:23 AM PST by Leto
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To: Vermonter
You got to be kidding. Macs are by far more problematic than PCs (been managing both for years) I'd take win 3.11 over a mac any day!
30 posted on 02/12/2002 5:16:51 AM PST by gilor
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To: wheezer
Oh, BTW...I'll will thoroughly endorse Macs for older and retired people for Internet use as their operational simplicity makes them less intimidating.
31 posted on 02/12/2002 5:17:13 AM PST by wheezer
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To: gorush
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't feel that PC's are necessary equipment for primary education. They increase costs, require expensive upgrades and repair, and the average score for kids has been dropping since their introduction. I'd consider an introduction to computers in high school for technical education...but use the years up to that point to teach the kids how to THINK, not input...

Agreed! The computer can be a valuable tool, but it can not replace a traditional rigorous education.

32 posted on 02/12/2002 5:17:37 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: Utopia
"One that's made in America."

Oh? Which part(s?) would that be?

33 posted on 02/12/2002 5:17:44 AM PST by Don Joe
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To: Utopia
State of Maine just signed a $48Million contract with Apple to provide Macs in Maine schools.

To educate the fine students of Maine for challenging careers in janitorial sciences.

34 posted on 02/12/2002 5:18:19 AM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: Vermonter
In the real world, most of the computers are PCs, and most of the programs are written for PCs.

I have used every operating system since DOS 3.0, and CP/M before that. If your computers run Win98 or Win2000 they will give you no trouble unless you abuse them.

Macs have a secret appeal for hippies, because they still have a "maverick" image. People who use them have a warm fuzzy feeling because they are defying "the system." But there's no point in training kids to use an operating system that has less than 10% of the market.

And, by the way, the real problem is that you can't easily teach kids to use computers in school, where the teachers probably know less about them than your kids do. They learn much more fooling around with them at home.

35 posted on 02/12/2002 5:18:19 AM PST by Cicero
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To: wheezer
Macs may be better but in the real business world PCs rule and thats the fact.
36 posted on 02/12/2002 5:18:23 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Rodney King
Well, maybe you don't, but almost every day there is a "Mac's are sooo much better and Wintel's suck, you idiots" thread.

Funny you read it that way, I've read: "Macs are for pansies" countless times.

It all depends what your needs are. For me, If I ever need to run Windows, or Linux, I can run it in a separate window and just drag drop to my OS X desktop. I can have access to every imaginable piece of software available to me for both Windows and Mac and run it on my Mac. I'm extremely particular about the monitor. I just happen to like Apple's monitors. Their color sync technology reall lets me see true color. I got a nice fact machine that can do anything and is easy on the eyes. I'm happy.

37 posted on 02/12/2002 5:18:51 AM PST by Utopia
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To: Vermonter; Macuser_list
when Macs are better

BUMP!!

38 posted on 02/12/2002 5:19:12 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: Utopia
fact = fast
39 posted on 02/12/2002 5:19:20 AM PST by Utopia
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To: gorush
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't feel that PC's are necessary equipment for primary education.

Try standing up and stating that position at a school budget meeting and be prepared to run for your life.

I was involved, early on, in our school's technology committee as they ramped up the computer budget. The parents want their kids to have computers and the teachers want only the best and latest..... and somebody else responsible for keeping it working.

40 posted on 02/12/2002 5:19:21 AM PST by Vermonter
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