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Missing Danielle Parents Allegedly Swingers
Larry King Live ^ | Brenda & Damon Van Dam

Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski

Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: libertarians
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To: Bella_Bru
Normally, that seems to be the case.
841 posted on 02/13/2002 7:57:51 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Ahhh....I see I responded early this morning. Too damn early for me to remember.
842 posted on 02/13/2002 7:58:31 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Luis Gonzalez
No Luis, you are ignoring the fact that activities such as swinging, adultery, may have bad, indeed unintended consequences for the children involved.

I stand by my comments. Without any reservation. You want to paint a portrait of myself as somebody who is misrepresenting Scripture for my own ends?!

You make comments implying that activities such as adultery and swinging are things that cannot be investigated as a precursor to harm being brought to the children here; those of us who raise such concerns in your mind are being 'unChristian'.

843 posted on 02/13/2002 8:02:47 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Bella_Bru
Ahhh....I see I responded early this morning. Too damn early for me to remember.

Take two aspirin and call tommorrow.

844 posted on 02/13/2002 8:04:42 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
No, I am just not a morning person. And certainly not after getting 2 hours of sleep.
845 posted on 02/13/2002 8:05:46 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: FITZ
reading the parents have hired a PR firm to build up their media images is very odd. Plus the neighbor telling the police he was dancing with Danielle's mother and her denying it is a bit puzzling.

These creepy parents are going to need more than a PR firm. I took one look at them and knew they were NOT sincerely mourning their child. I don't know that they are murderers, but I do know that they have no emotional depth.

846 posted on 02/13/2002 8:06:38 PM PST by PoisedWoman
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Another lie by my fine, upstanding Bible quoting, Christian friend (a disturbing trend for you, can't you win the argument without lying?)

We'll see who is misrepresenting what, when this thread is said and done. I won't be yielding one inch, either.

847 posted on 02/13/2002 8:07:58 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Bella_Bru
Then go to sleep.......you apparently need it.
848 posted on 02/13/2002 8:08:54 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Luis Gonzalez
It's interesting about rumors though.....Hillary was really against them...especially rumors on the internet.. and it's interesting what people will say to the news media...even US presidents who look straight into a camera and say they didn't have sex with that woman... and women like Susan Smith who describe a kidnapper in detail including his race. Sometimes it's the rumors that turn out to be truth.
849 posted on 02/13/2002 8:15:20 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Luis Gonzalez
And yet another lie. Show me wherte I have used the Bible to defend the behavior of the Van Dams, or apologize. So-called Christians do nothing but lie and offer false witness in here.

I lost count of how many times that you have posted, "Pride is the first deadly sin." All sin is deadly. All. That means none left out.

You condemned those who said multiple sex partner marriages could be harmful to the children, and said they were being judgmental. It appears that you assumed there was no mercy or compassion for the parents because they said such behavior was sin.

You insinuated that other Christians who did not agree with you were not really Christians, and were lying.

You insinuated that you scriptural knowledge in several language was high and lofty above everyone else's.

I never got into a sword fight with you on the Bible. I always tried to keep it in line with what we knew of the investigation, statisical evidence on these types of crimes and child development studies.

In fact, you have never even read a post of mine that says I condemned the parents lifestyle. Let me make it more clear then. I do condemn that lifestyle, and if I knew the Van Dams I would seek to be a "co-laborer" in their receiving salvation, so that they would know.."a better way."

I too, cringe inside when I hear people deep in sin, called names, and know that there are many Christians who are zealous to point out sin. Perhaps this is a balance for the many, many Christians who do not seem to know what sin is, and want to gloss over it with God loves you anyway.

The wages of sin is ____________?

It can not be glossed over. It can not be gone around. It can only be forgiven by the atoning, substitutionary work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Perhaps instead of fighting, we should take a bit more time to pray that the little girl or her body will be found, and that the parents are not totally destroyed by this.

Saved by His grace.

850 posted on 02/13/2002 8:18:34 PM PST by Selara
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Look through the thread and you'll see all the FReepers equating pedophilia with adultery. What a bunch of crap. Pedophiles are sick people, and in a class of their own.

I'd say swinging is a sub-class Luis, because they would fall under the category of deviant or perverse, where all are sick.
851 posted on 02/13/2002 8:20:59 PM PST by Registered
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To: Luis Gonzalez
1Kings

21:20 And Ahab said to Elijah, Hast thou found me, O mine enemy? And he answered, I have found [thee]: because thou hast sold thyself to work evil in the sight of the LORD.

21:21 Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel,

21:22 And will make thine house like the house of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, and like the house of Baasha the son of Ahijah, for the provocation wherewith thou hast provoked [me] to anger, and made Israel to sin.

21:23 And of Jezebel also spake the LORD, saying, The dogs shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel.

You remember 'swinger' Jezebel, don't you? To sit here and say, "well, compared to pedophilia, swingers aren't so bad"

Here's a hint for you, buddy.........somebody who would ask, encourage, initiate his wife, her husband to sleep with somebody isn't exactly currying favor with the Lord. Your libertine objections notwithstanding.

Oh yeah Luis, it's something less..........dogs will eat her for that one.

"I've read the Bible in a thousand different languages, but haven't understood a single thing......" I'll say it again............Pharisee.

852 posted on 02/13/2002 8:25:23 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
"well, compared to pedophilia, swingers aren't so bad"

Aren't you embarrased to make up one lie after another?

Can you show me where you lifted my "quote" from?

853 posted on 02/13/2002 8:32:20 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: He Rides A White Horse
"Your libertine objections notwithstanding."

I am done with you, you are simply stacking up one lie on topo of another.

Here's a hint, I object to the swinging life style, have said so many times on the thread.

You, on the other hand, are a liar.

You lie over and over again.

I have, on this thread, attacked you for your lack of Christian thought. Anyone can quote Bible verse, few can understand them.

I have attacked the rumour mill that has gone on, and the spread of misinformation that you have carried on. Your own little "orgy" of sorts.

I'll see you around, and pray to God for forgiveness, after all the lies you post, you need to.

854 posted on 02/13/2002 8:37:50 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Registered
Maybe, but they are at least consenting adults engaging in a mutually agreed upon activity.

The others rape children.

855 posted on 02/13/2002 8:38:46 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Look through the thread and you'll see all the FReepers equating pedophilia with adultery. What a bunch of crap. Pedophiles are sick people, and in a class of their own.

You said it yourself, in post 814.......and you accuse me of lying?..............go lay down Luis, you obviously aren't feeling well.

856 posted on 02/13/2002 8:38:47 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I am done with you, you are simply stacking up one lie on topo of another.

No I'm not.......but if you want to flee, I won't pursue you.

I have attacked the rumour mill that has gone on, and the spread of misinformation that you have carried on. Your own little "orgy" of sorts.</i.

Sorry, I don't see the Bible as a "misinformation" mill.

I'll see you around, and pray to God for forgiveness, after all the lies you post, you need to.

Sure.........as I said before, point out my 'lies', and I'll be sure to pray if I see them. I don't at this moment, however.

857 posted on 02/13/2002 8:42:40 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Selara; He Rides A White Horse
"You condemned those who said multiple sex partner marriages could be harmful to the children..."

That's a lie, show me my post.

""Pride is the first deadly sin.""

I have directed that at one particular poster. I also posted his statement that led me to say that.

"You insinuated that other Christians who did not agree with you were not really Christians, and were lying."

I have called people who misrepresent, or flat out lie about the things I have said liars. I stand by my statements.

"You insinuated that you scriptural knowledge in several language was high and lofty above everyone else's."

I stated that I had read the Bible in two languages, that's a fact, I have. Whetever else you read into that is of your own making. Then again, I was responding to someone who insinuated that I had never read the Bible, funny how you missed that.

"I always tried to keep it in line with what we knew of the investigation..."

You, along with several other posters have been trating what was posted on post #60 as facts. Read the post again.

"Perhaps instead of fighting, we should take a bit more time to pray that the little girl or her body will be found, and that the parents are not totally destroyed by this.

"Saved by His grace."

850 posted on 2/13/02 9:18 PM Pacific by Selara

Thank you, that's what I have been looking for in this thread.

Thank you very much Selara.

I sincerely hope, and pray, that Danielle is found alive. And that if in fact, her parents are swingers, that they see the error of their ways, and come to know the Lord, and His Salvation.

God bless you.

Are you watching and learning about true Christian compassion White Horse?

858 posted on 02/13/2002 8:51:21 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: He Rides A White Horse
You lied about what I have said, over, and over, and over again.

As a matter of fact, you have allowed me to call you a liar unchallenged.

That's because you know that you are lying, and your pasive non-responses are an admission of guilt.

One last time, do we take the children from those parents or not?

859 posted on 02/13/2002 8:54:06 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Are you watching and learning about true Christian compassion White Horse?

Some of the truest Christian compassion comes in the form of a solid shot to the head (metaphor)

860 posted on 02/13/2002 8:55:33 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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