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1 posted on 02/09/2002 6:02:41 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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2 posted on 02/09/2002 6:08:00 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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I don't think Dickie Pooh had a warm reception coming in and when he left, I don't think he sold any body on his candidacy. His remarks about abortion only told people that he has no principles he'll defend when he's asked what he does believe in. Gray Davis' attacks on the abortion issue is really a Willie Horton surrogate for questioning what Dickie Pooh stands for. What he really does he believe in as a Republican? I don't think he answered those questions in San Jose and I don't think he got backing of those in the grass-roots he needs to win the primary. To put it bluntly, he's in the wrong party.
3 posted on 02/09/2002 6:10:06 PM PST by goldstategop
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``I felt very strongly then, I feel very strongly now that abortion is not right,'' Riordan said. ``But I regret using the word murder.''

Aargh. If it's not murder then why the #3!! would it be wrong??!!

5 posted on 02/09/2002 6:20:06 PM PST by Sloth
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California Secretary of State Bill Jones, left, former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, center, and Los Angeles businessman Bill Simon, right, shake hands before their Republican gubernatorial debate at the GOP convention in San Jose, Calif., Saturday, Feb. 9, 2002. The lunchtime debate, the second of three debates scheduled, was not televised and the only audience was a loyal GOP crowd. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

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6 posted on 02/09/2002 6:23:53 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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Nothing Riordan has to say at this point will convince anybody. If he says he is a conservative, he's obviously lying. His poor credentials are thoroughly established.
8 posted on 02/09/2002 6:25:03 PM PST by Cicero
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12 posted on 02/09/2002 6:35:43 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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Republican gubernatorial candidate Richard Riordan attempted Saturday to calm the doubts of party conservatives about his loyalty.

After this he should have calmed everyone's doubt. If you doubted he was a Republican, stop doubting, he's not.

17 posted on 02/09/2002 7:03:23 PM PST by nickcarraway
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If you were there today, please report in. Thanks.

Ping Carry_Okie in the morning; I spent the day fueling chain saws.
20 posted on 02/09/2002 7:17:12 PM PST by sasquatch
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There are millions of disenfranchised conservative voters who have been shut out of the process in a state run by goon squads in the Democraticparty. They have tuned out the GOP because the party is afraid to dealwith the very effective barrage of insults and false labels used as assault weapons: terms like "bigot", "homophobe", "right wing fanatic", "intolerant" and "hateful".

Rather than engage in objective debate focused on the facts and the truth of real human and financial situations, such as the extraordinary burdens placed on the California taxpayer as a result of illegal immigrants (nicely changed to undocumented workers), the GOP backs down and stays as quiet on the subject as the other guys. Yet we all know that if you treat huge debts and expenses as if they don't exist, you go bankrupt, or you subvert the truth and cook the books to produce a reality that suits your agenda. This is one example of how Davis has distorted the facts, while dipping deeper into our pockets.

But, we're not supposed to talk about it. Hush Hush. And anyone who addresses it is a hateful bigot. Such cowardice is a huge reason why voters who would show up in droves for a legit person like Simon, and help to make a mockery of Riordan's hypocrisy, will instead tune out....again. I guess this is the way the control freaks, lobbyists, and suits in Sacramento continue to prevent any substantive change in a borderline marxist state.

I know that progress occurs incrementally, not immediately. But we the voters have tried to make statements that still cannot be translated into an honest connection with moral leaders who exhibit and practice integrity. Props 187 and 209 have been either sent to the dustheap by a liberal judge or end-around boards of regents. Prop 22, by a 61% margin, surely ripe for an advocate in the governor's race to seize as an expression of a value system that has worked for 2000 years, instead is subject to continual attack, most recently by the temporarily tabled AB1338. Staged jihads and "alternative lifestyles" now pass for curricula in the public school systems, but God help any administrator who says a single word about a Christian value.

To tell you the truth, I never thought it was possible to see so much degradation and intentional subversion of the laws and the processes of government than I have witnessed here in my beloved state. I am a hopeful person, not willing yet to give in and appease for the sake of winning some pyrrhic victory. I am voting for Bill Simon as he does seem to connect directly with the belief system and the values of almost everyone I know on my block here in Mission Viejo.

It's too bad that the media thought police have by and large obstructed this information from widespread distribution. Most of the same people I described have no idea who Bill Simon is, and perhaps the party fathers here in California want nothing more than to run things the same way Jesse Unruh would have.

The lifeless, flatline GOP could end the Dems' game of racial gothcha in an instant - the very nanosecond the GOP makes it clear that both sides will henceforth be playing by the same rules. But they are too timid. They could bring into the polls the MAJORITY of conservative people if they knew someone would finally support all of the issues that scream for legitimate advocacy: immigration, closing the borders, language, family, but people stay away because every election it's the same thing. The GOP have become undetakers at a funeral home.

The only legimate candidate is Simon. Even the GOP gathering at the Fremont Hotel this weekend has Riordan shutting down the straw poll because he knows that it would reveal him for the fraud that he is. But the GOP is willing to appease the liberals and back an outright sellout like Riordan. Like Neville Chamberlain in 1938, liberalism and not standing your ground for what you believe in, is appeasement. And appeasement always leads to slavery.

28 posted on 02/09/2002 7:37:34 PM PST by gohabsgo
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I am voting for the only real conservative for Governor in California:

Nick Jesson

48 posted on 02/09/2002 9:52:30 PM PST by ledzep75
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Hi CCC, haven't talked to you since our SF freep! Hope all is well... My little grandsons still talk about that experience and I hope they never forget what we were out there trying to say. California is so socialist, it is scary, because as goes California so goes the rest of the nation. I'm fighting for Simon, because I can't vote for a liberal (Riordan, another Jefford's in sheep's clothing!). I sure hope we don't get another liberal, don't you Saundra? Can this state take much more? M. Savage says the people will at some point revolt, do you think this is possible? Or, do you think we will just shrug and take it, as we've been doing???
57 posted on 02/09/2002 11:10:09 PM PST by tinacart
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You shuold have seen the Riordan people: they were mostly angry young kids, fat cats, or gays. NOBODY was coming to their table. They had LOTS of literature left on the table. Simon's people ran out of literature, whistles, stickers, whatever they had people were getting it (ably assisted by FReeper NattieShea (her smile cannot be refused)). Simon's people were enthusiastic, and whoever issued the whistles on yellow ribbons was a genius. When Bill showed up across the street it was a party complete with brass band. As he sifted through the crowd, it was a bedalm of whistles. When Riordan showed up in the lobby it was a bedalm of whistles there too (hehehehe). From reports, Bill aquitted himself well in the debate (I was busy elsewhere).

Jones' people had one thing going for them besides the NRA endorsement, a poster-sized photo of Riordan whooping it up with Gray Davis. It was great. I asked them to put it up on their website. Hopefully I can post it here... OK so I'll email it too!

Finally, there were the parties this evening. Simon's was hopping, even Riordan flunkies were coming by to see what was going on. Made some great contacts and met some fine people. It was definitiely a profitable experience, especially for the kids.

58 posted on 02/09/2002 11:47:21 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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I am a Republican who believes in the Big Tent, that we must make room for Republicans that aren't "pure conservatives".

But Riordan is too liberal, too Democratic, too sleazy for me. His candidacy is a rent in the tent, a slashing away of all principle, an emptiness that we cannot allow.

As a Californian, I cannot, and will not vote for Riordan. At any time. In any race.

64 posted on 02/10/2002 12:17:13 AM PST by samtheman
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This is the ultimate example of media bia. Riordan is about as moderate as Hillary Clinton. He makes Diane Fienstein look conservative.
73 posted on 02/10/2002 7:16:16 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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How can any "Republican" say they regret calling abortion, "murder"? It doesn't make sense.

Any clown such as this wouldn't have a chance in the Georgia GOP. I mean, he shows massive signs of stupidity with the abortion statement, and he fails to admit to the illegal invasion.

78 posted on 02/10/2002 8:34:32 AM PST by FreedomFriend
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NEW THREAD:
California GOP debate gets better in round two
(Fresno Bee article)

A little more in depth coverage of the debate.

82 posted on 02/10/2002 9:26:13 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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NEW THREAD:
Bill Simon Wins GOP Vote (Straw Poll at California Republican Convention)

95 posted on 02/10/2002 1:30:53 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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``I regret using the word murder'' in a television interview in the early 1990s.

Its that kind of wishy washy pseudo conservativsm that will get Davis Re-elected. I was ready to support him if he won the primary. At this point, I think I'll just move out of California.

96 posted on 02/10/2002 2:11:34 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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phooey! Riordan's another clone that is just like Gray (brainless) Davis.... He should re-register as a Demo-thief.
106 posted on 02/10/2002 6:34:19 PM PST by pointsal
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If you want to check out the Liberal Democrat spin on this topic; check out the Real Audio National Public Radio report about the Riordan vs Davis Governor race. The NPR liberals use the term RINO, they go above and beyond the liberal agenda by doing a past recording of Riordan on saying that Abortion is murder and then contrasting it to his current stand.

Finally, they indicate that at the Democratic National Convention, when asked who he would vote for (Gore vs. GW) he said he wasn't sure. They really pointed out that he is not a "party" politician. They also imply that he is the only person who has a chance of beating Davis.

While, I don't believe everything (or even a small fraction) of what I hear on NPR, I do think it is interesting to hear what the liberal Democrats have to say about things, expecially political things. (Know your enemy!)

The URL for the "reporting" can be found at NPR Real Audio link

The NPR Summary is;
Ex-LA Mayor Vies with Conservatives in Gubernatorial Bid Republican gubernatorial candidate Richard Riordan faces two conservatives in the California race. The former Los Angeles mayor is criticized for his moderate views. NPR's Ina Jaffe reports on Morning Edition. Feb. 11, 2002.

116 posted on 02/11/2002 10:45:46 AM PST by Robert357
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