Citrix, WordPerfect and Word

Trout-Mouth ^ | 02/07/02 | Trout-Mouth

[Snoopers-868th]

I need input regarding various platforms running WordPerfect and Word together. I am told it causes too many problems. Is it true?

I need specific experiences regarding running both Word and WordPerfect on a Citrix system with Windows 2000 network.

1) Any techs familiar with Citrix? What is it?

2) Is it a hardware translator enabling the emulation of a real computer while using Mac hardware? or,

3) Is it a software enabling the translation of the MAC OS?

4) Does WordPerfect crash if run on a network utilizing Citrix with Word and a Windows 2000 network? Anyone have any real experiences with this scenario?

5) Does WordPerfect crash if run alone on Citrix with Windows 2000 network?

6) Are there any security issues that could not be easily addressed running both WordPerfect and Word? Please give specifics.

7) Finally, what OS is the best to run WordPerfect? I understand Gates owns it also?

Thanks for all the expertise or experiences you might have regarding my questions.

[Henchster]

Citrix Network Neighborhood and Citrix Metaframe and NFuse are all different ways to get remote applications running directly on the server.

The PC logs into the Citrix server, and it provides a virtual desktop running applications loaded on the server, not on the desktop. You only need a weak laptop with internet connectivity and bingo, you're running as many apps, windows and files the SERVER can support. All files and settings for the user are saved on the server, so it doesn't matter what machine or where you log on from, your settings, apps, and files are there.

Consider Citrix the Mainframe/Dumb Terminal equivalent for Windows Servers/Desktops PCs.

As for application compatibility, we have had some problems with software not designed to run over a network, or across different drives, but 95% of the stuff out there works just fine over Citrix server variations.

I'll let some other FReepers answer the other questions.

[Snoopers-868th]

Thank you so much. That was very informative and that is exactly what most of us have is dumb terminals. So how can you use MAC hardware (not dumb terminals) with this set up. What sits at the MAC level that takes you beyond the MAC itself?

[bobwoodard]

2) Is it a hardware translator enabling the emulation of a real computer while using Mac hardware? or,

3) Is it a software enabling the translation of the MAC OS?

We use the Citrix for running apps on a remote NT server. There are a bunch of clients for different platforms, so you could have your Macs and Solaris machines connect to the NT server and running your app of choice in a window. One benefit is not having heavy duty machines at every desktop, since the app is running on the server.

[Gladwin]

I need input regarding various platforms running WordPerfect and Word together. I am told it causes too many problems. Is it true? I need specific experiences regarding running both Word and WordPerfect on a Citrix system with Windows 2000 network.

1) Any techs familiar with Citrix? What is it?

I believe it lets you run one from another computer. i.e. The second computer has the citrix screen. On the citrix screen you can see the desktop of the first computer

2) Is it a hardware translator enabling the emulation of a real computer while using Mac hardware? or,

Don't know. I don't think so tho.

3) Is it a software enabling the translation of the MAC OS?

Don't know. I believe MacOS/hardware is wholly owned by Apple. They feel that they make more money by not licensing out their hardware or software.

4) Does WordPerfect crash if run on a network utilizing Citrix with Word and a Windows 2000 network? Anyone have any real experiences with this scenario?

No experience.

5) Does WordPerfect crash if run alone on Citrix with Windows 2000 network?

Don't know

6) Are there any security issues that could not be easily addressed running both WordPerfect and Word? Please give specifics.

I wouldn't think so. They are just word processing programs. The only thing I might be worried about is that Visual Basic is integrated in Word. So, you could have virus problems.

7) Finally, what OS is the best to run WordPerfect? I understand Gates owns it also?

I don't know

[Mixer]

Index!

[blaster88]

Thank you so much. That was very informative and that is exactly what most of us have is dumb terminals. So how can you use MAC hardware (not dumb terminals) with this set up. What sits at the MAC level that takes you beyond the MAC itself?

Go to the Citrix website ( http://www.citrix.com ) and download the Citrixclient for Mac.

Also insure that you use the server installation routine for installing WP.

[Snoopers-868th]

Sorry if I did not do something I was suppose to do when I posted this? Or what does "Index" mean?

[Snoopers-868th]

I am not interested in Citrix for myself but thank you. I take it you can use it on all computers not just a MAC. See I thought it was a MAC thing.

[SoDak]

If you're running Wordperfect locally, meaning on the actual system you're keying on, and running Word on the server, through the Citrix terminal services, there shouldn't be an issue. The programs will be operating on two different systems. Just remember, when you run anything thru citrix, the actual processing, and system calls are not happening on the system in front of you, but on the server.

[Snoopers-868th]

Does Star Office "easily" handle a Table of Authorities and Table of Contents? Have you done them yourself?

[Snoopers-868th]

In other words, my MAC that I boot everyday is only a "monitor" when using Citrix.

[Henchster]

"In other words, my MAC that I boot everyday is only a "monitor" when using Citrix. "

BINGO! Just another dumb terminal.

[ChasG]

Henchster et.al. have already provided a good overview of Citrix. It is not a hardware translator. It can be considered functionally an emulator. Henchster's dumb terminal analogy is a good one. It has nothing specifically to do with the MAC platform. Any of a wide variety of computer platforms can run the Citrix client that provides a user interface to the applications running on the Citrix server. We have a very limited number of users running Wordperfect on Windows 98 workstations that run other application on the Citrix server. This is a very unusual model. Typically Wordperfect would run as an application on the Citrix server along with Microsoft Word. I tested this and it's seems to work fine. It is not utilized in large numbers because of a dearth of Wordperfect users. The security issues involved in accessing Wordperfect and Word via a Citrix server are not significantly different from the security issues that apply to all applications running on an application server. The best OS for Wordperfect is Linux. Wordperfect is owned by Corel. Whether Wordperfect crashes when run on a 2000 network including a Citrix server will hinge upon the workstation environment, especially the OS. There is not intrinsic incompatibility. If you run anything on a Microshaft OS then it will routinely crash. If you are in the market for an application server then you might consider OpenLinux Application Server with Tarantella. The business case for an application server is a complex one that should be undertaken only by an experienced IS manager with a good engineering staff. This is not child's play.

[knowtherules]

Using your example, you would still hve to own 200 licenses. However, you would only have to install one "run-time" app on the server.

Not having the proper number of "holigrams" will run you afoul of the Redmond Police.

[Mixer]

Sorry if I did not do something I was suppose to do when I posted this? Or what does "Index" mean?

No you didnt do anything wrong at all. Index means that i am adding it to the list of computer releated topics on FR so if you want to see all of the threads related to Computer Security and Internet you could look at the group and all threads would be in that one spot as long as they have been added with an Index, Bump or Ping.

[Snoopers-868th]

O.K. I went to the Citrix website and studied up. Good directions for me, thank you.

In other words, we are talking "mainframe" here. So sorry it is a dirty word but you know what goes around comes around and mainframe is coming back into vogue.

DUH! Control! DUH!

I have no problem with that. So my question is. Is there a legitimate reason both word processing programs cannot function from this system. I have many programs available on the "start" button that I presume are not isolated as far as installation. What is the difference? Thank you.

[Snoopers-868th]

How did you do it?